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For starters, Nemesis, imitating Locke, knows where The Smoke Monster is when Ben can’t find it. He leads Ben into it’s inner chamber. The Smoke Monster appears. A dead relative chokes Ben into following orders. Clearly The Smoke Monster is on Team Nemesis. An imitated Yemi(‘you speak to me as if I am your brother) leads Mr. Eko to the Smoke Monster, who then gets smashed into pieces. An imitated Christian leads Jack into the jungle(guess who lives there, sneaking around amongst the trees) away from the beach(guess who lives there, out in the open with nothing to hide). An imitated Emily Linus leads Ben out from the safety of the Dharma barracks, into the dark territory, beyond the sonar fence, where he meets the now very suspect Richard Alpert. A backwards speaking Walt, while under the control of The Others(Dark Side), leads Shannon into the jungle, where she meets her demise. Repeat repeat repeat, over and over. The more the cycle continues, the slower Jacob’s ‘progress’ advances.
Progress, however, has it’s down side. Just when you’ve turned that corner, there’s a catch. When you change, you die. Notice the theme: -Eko comes to peace with his past, builds a church, lives nobly. He dies. -Boone has a vision and gets over Shannon. He dies. -Shannon opens up her heart to Sayid and watches Vincent, becoming unselfish. She dies. -Roger Linus promises to celebrate Ben’s birthday next year, wants quality time. He dies. -Charlie kicks his drug habit. He dies. -Ana Lucia puts the gun down, unwilling to kill again. She dies. -Michael takes responsibility for his actions. He dies. -Faraday reconsiders his stance on fate and changing the past. He dies. -Libby gets over the death of her husband and finds love again. She dies. -Charlotte is finally home to stay, no more searching and digging. She dies. -Nikki & Paulo(who gives a shit!)overcome greed, he hid the diamonds to keep her. They die. -John Locke.....hold that thought for later. Thus we have a clear golden rule of Lost, and it’s a very big deal. When you confront your ‘issue’ and actually CHANGE, you die. Why is this important? Because Jacob is telling us that mankind will change. What happens if mankind changes? You guessed it. Mankind goes bye-bye. ‘It only ends once’. This is why Hawking and The Others are always saying that they are ‘saving the world’, as it stated in the ad that both Mikhail & Kelvin responded to(In case you’re wondering, Radsinsky is a part of the Dark Side. He gives orders. He kills people. He presses the button). That is why some of the people are willing to follow orders. The progress we are progressing towards is extinction. So our conflict has taken an interesting turn. The Others, those mass-murdering lying-cheating-stealing manipulative bastards, and Team Nemesis, that 3-headed monster from hell who will mimic your dead mother until you’re bleeding from every orifice, are actually fighting against the end of the world. This is a timeless story that has been told many times throughout the history of man. Plato, Dante, the Qur’an. Evil loses and the world ends. That is why we’ve been following the journey of our beloved Losties. As they make wholesale changes, they will be the agents of change that bring about the ‘only ends once’ scenario that Jacob accurately predicted. This means they will all face their own issues, overcome them, change, and die. It’s going to be a very painful final season for all of us. And it’s going to end with a white flash as the world with evil in it comes to an end and the side of the Light wins. Damon Lindelof: ‘I promise you the series will not end with a black screen’. No Damon, it won’t, but thanks for doing what you’ve always done, and rubbed our faces in it. It’s going to end with a WHITE screen. So now we can predict within reason what will be happening to our beloved Losties. They will face their issues and die. But what are their issues? Jacob has told us. Jacob is guiding them towards this outcome. He gives ‘little pushes’, passively helping them out, strengthening them for their big test, years in advance. Remember it has to be their choice to change and overcome their issues. We can learn what our Losties issues are by evaluating what aspect of them Jacob was trying to help them change. It’s pretty obvious when you watch the scenes. Sun & Jin have too often put their marriage on the back burner. Jin works a nightmarish job and never sees Sun. Sun stays on the helicopter without Jin on it. Jin tells Locke to convince Sun that he’s dead. What ‘blessing’ does Jacob ‘offer’? Never take your marriage for granted. He is strengthening their commitment muscles for a later decathlon of the soul. He is helping them change. By the way, Sun & Jin, symbolically, will demonstrate their commitment to each other in the ultimate way. They will choose to change together and then they will die together. Sun & Jin are Adam & Eve(Adam & Eve were discovered during House Of The Rising Sun, the first Jin & Sun-centric episode. Watch it and you’ll agree that they are Adam & Eve). Hurley has always considered himself cursed. He has willed himself into a state of paranoia. Jacob visits him to tell him that he has a personal choice(of course) to come back to the Island or not. But he also suggests that Hurley isn’t cursed, that perhaps he’s blessed. There is no greater way for Hurley to change, to demonstrate that he considers himself blessed, to prove that he is ok with his life...than for Hurley to broadcast the numbers. He will choose to change and he will broadcast the numbers and he will die. Sawyer’s entire life has been dedicated to finding the man who killed his parents and enacting revenge. Yes, he did pull the trigger in Australia. Yes, he did kill Cooper on the Island. This is the cycle, the repetition, that needs to be broken. Jacob comforts Sawyer. He tells him he’s sorry about his parents dying. He offers him a pen. He’s trying to help Sawyer let it out and get over it. This scene is the perfect example of the opposing philosophies of Lost. Notice what Sawyer’s Uncle Doug says to Sawyer after Jacob leaves: ‘You gotta move on, boy. They're gone, and there ain't nothing you can do to change that. What's done is done.’ What’s done is done. Fate. You can’t change. This is the opposing force to change perfectly captured. The writers have been doing this from the first episode, re-watch the series, it’s EVERYWHERE. Minus production errors, drunk actors & network issues, they’ve done an incredible job. They knew what they were doing from the start and they have stuck to the rules. You can exhale now ![]() continua...
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Kate has always taken things. She takes lunchboxes, she takes lives, she takes babies. What does Jacob ask her(and as always, he asks)? He asks her to stop stealing. He uses honey instead of vinegar. Instead of punishment he offers salvation. He has planted a seed, and it will sprout roots next season. Kate will choose to change, Kate will return something to it’s rightful owner(Aaron to Claire), and Kate will die. In fact, Claire will kill her. More on that later.
And now, Jack. Our supposed hero. Poor Jack, beaten down by his father Christian over the years. Jacob tells Jack that the Apollo Bar stuck in the vending machine just ‘needed a little push’. Jacob was trying to teach Jack that Christian was just giving him little pushes. Jack’s issue is forgiving his father. Jack will choose to change and will forgive Christian. And he will die. Here’s the problem: Claire and Christian are both dead. Who will Kate be giving Aaron to? Who will Jack be hugging? First, let’s prove Claire is dead. By now we know how Smokie operates. One of his favorite tricks is using your dead relatives. And what is Claire’s issue? What defines Claire? I went to Lostpedia just to read about her. It says she is frequently tested with motherhood. That sounds about right doesn’t it? Twice, she almost loses Aaron, once to adoption, and once to Ethan. She protects him, keeps him by her side. She was warned not to let him be ‘raised by an Other’. So who is on the very short list of people she would give Aaron to, who also happens to be on the Island? Christian Shephard, Aaron’s Grandfather, now being imitated as part of Team Nemesis. This is why Aaron was left on the floor of the jungle. Claire changed, she gave up Aaron, and she died. This is why she is just palling around with Christian in the cabin, not worried about Aaron at all, having a tea party and laughing at John Locke for thinking he was being ‘chosen’ by Jacob. She didn’t die in the barracks explosion, she was killed in the jungle. She chose to change and her story came full circle. Claire Littleton is dead. And now Jack. Typing this right now, fully understanding his character and his journey, it breaks my heart. The writers have really screwed us on this one. I can’t say it’s not brilliant though. Before I tell you who kills Jack, first I must explain why Jack must die. Earlier I referenced Dante’s 3-headed monster. The 3 headed monster represents the ‘inverted Christian Trinity’. I read this in a neat little book called Good & Evil In Myth & Legend. Check it out, it covers most of Lost in the first 20 pages. Anyways, think about that phrase. Inverted Christian Trinity. Inverted Christian. Three of them. Three inversions. Right now we’ve established two of Christian’s family are being imitated by Team Nemesis. Two Inverted Christians. Claire & Christian. Jack is the third. He will be killed. He will be imitated. The Smoke Monster, aka Cerberus, aka The Three Headed Monster, aka Team Nemesis, aka The Dark Side...during Season 6...will be Jack, Claire & Christian(were the cigarettes in his hotel room a clue that he’s Smokie or what? Let alone him setting off the smoke detector). Jack. His tattoos read ‘he who walks among us but is not one of us’. Those damn writers, they knew it all along. He is going to be imitated. He will be the face of evil in Season 6. Jack will embrace Christian, forgiving him, choosing to change. But it’s the inverted Christian. It’s part of Team Nemesis. He will probably hug his father only to get a knife in the gut. Buy your tissues NOW. This is the creative device that the writers will be using in Season 6. We will not know who to trust. Kate will be handing Aaron(how does he get back? No clue) back to an inverted Claire aka Team Nemesis. She will choose to change and she will die. Kate has no idea that there’s a clone-monster running around imitating people. Bet your ass it happens. But here’s how Team Nemesis dies. Early in the season we are going to be shown a scene from later in the story. In it, John Locke will be killing Jack Shephard. We will all assume that John Locke is the evil inverted imitated Nemesis version of John Locke, and that Jack Shephard is the good ol’ doctor. But since we now know that Jack has to die, to complete the Inverted Christian Trinity, it isn’t Jack. And Locke is back to being Locke. He will be resurrected for the third time(fell from building, literally rose up after 815 crashed). This has been his destiny. Resurrected Locke will kill Nemesis Jack. Locke will have changed and become something. Don’t tell him what he can’t do, he just killed the FUCKING DEVIL! And so we have our two sides, Light vs Dark, Jacob vs Nemesis/Smokie/Cerberus, Dharma vs The Others, Freedom vs Slavery, Change vs Fate, Asking vs Ordering, White Pillars of Smoke in every Locke dream vs. Black Pillars of Smoke, The Beach vs The Dark Territory, Visions/Dreams vs Dead Relatives, Candy Bars vs. Mass-Murder, Omniscience vs. Time-Loopholes, Locke vs Jack, Faith vs Science. I think it’s an utter work of genius. Just think about it. Christian said ‘TheRed Sox would never win the World Series’. He’s a fatalist. He’s an Other. The Red Sox break the curse, progress, change. Every episode is embedded with the conflict. They’ve extended the argument to every aspect of humanity. Can you time-travel and change the past? Can you overcome your drug addiction? Can you open up your heart? Can you stop torturing people? Yes, you can. You can change. Everyone can change. We can change together and start a new world. Unfortunately, in order for that to happen, the old one has to die. And then it all starts over again non continua!!! accidenti sembrava più corta!
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ma postare un semplice link testuale no?
_http://theoriesonlost.blogspot.com/2009/08/lost-solution-by-mark-bernardi.html (ovviamente rimuovere l'underscore iniziale) per quanto riguarda la possibiltà di spoiler: la teoria, come si può leggere alla pagina richiamata, è del 2 agosto 2009, quindi molto prima dell'inizio delle riprese , e quindi praticamente impossibile che faccia riferimento a spoiler, a meno che l'autore non abbia avuto diretto accesso agli script originali degli autori...se poi contiene davvero spoiler confermati (non l'ho letta e quindi non posso esprimermi), beh, che dire, bravo all'autore... e poi, conoscendo darkufo e la sua politica sugli spoiler, è molto ma molto difficile che consenta la pubblicazione di spoiler nella sezione teorie del suo blog (è necessario prima inviare a lui la teoria, poi sarà lui a pubblicarla), e in generale al di fuori della sezione spoiler... quindi, senza polemica nei confronti di alcuno, evitiamo di fare terrorismo, e magari documentiamoci prima
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sì, il link testuale sarebbe stato meglio, in effetti
![]() se poi la teoria è pubblicata il 2 agosto e nella sezione TEORIE di Dark Ufo, come dice lostinato, credo anche io che non ci sia possibilità di spoiler.
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Ehi ma per chi mi avete preso??? tranquillissimi: NO SPOILER HERE!!! La teoria non fa riferimento ad alcuno spoiler proprio perchè l'ho trovata su DarkUfo che è molto curato sotto sto punto di vista... io per primo non leggo spoiler da quando ho letto di Mark Pellegrino e mi sono rovinato la Season 5 Finale!
Ho aggiornato il primo post inserendo il link della teoria (che poi comunque ho riportato) e i link dei video su youtube del tipo canale del tipo che sostiene che Sawyer uccide se stesso... tanto criticato perchè, anche secondo me, è una pippa mentale assurda! NB: un video di questo autore può contenere qualche informazione spoilerosa, per precauzione non l'ho visto ma il mio coinquilino dice di no... ad ogni modo, vi posto il link diretto al video di Sawyer qui... penso che gli indizi siano stati sparsi in tutta la serie, al minuto 2:40 viene fatto notare come sia strano che Sawyer si trovi 2 volte a scalciare contro una porta gridando di aprirla, con un fare e una voce molto simile a quella che ci hanno fatto chiaramente sentire nei suoi flashback! io vi consiglio di guardarlo!
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Letto in maniera così esaustiva, le parti che aveva postato in precedenza Mosè ora hanno molto più senso..se e quando avrò tempo mi piacerebbe tradurlo in italiano per meglio propagare il verbo lostiano a chi è ancora profano...
Onore cmq sia al merito a chi ha ideato tutto ciò, è davvero una mente geniale(insomma a FU**iNG GENIUS )
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Appena posso mi ci metto anche io, è abbastanza importante tradurre per renderla fruibile a tutto il forum ita.....
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Se volete facciamo che Ford_modello_Sawyer traduce il primo pezzo da me postato, Freex il secondo, io traduco il terzo e qualche anima pia traduce il quarto... io grossi problemi con l'inglese scritto non ne ho, con il parlato si quindi se qualcuno riesce a tradurre i pezzi del video di Sawyer e annesso "ulteriori informazioni" farebbe una gran bella cosa!
PS: ho guardato il video "SPOILER" di Duphe... è dichiarato Spoiler solo perchè secondo lui ha capito tutto, però devo dire che onestamente propone una teoria davvero interessante (ma comunque una TEORIA): anche qui si parte da Destiny VS Free Choose, solo che il morale della favola sarà che i nostri personaggi andranno incontro al loro destino proprio cercando di modificarlo... Spoiler Below e sinceramente se il finale fosse questo si spiegherebbe anche quello che gli autori hanno spesso definito come Finale Aperto, "non tutti i misteri saranno svelati" ecc... per il semplice fatto che il mistero più grande non sarà svelato perchè l'uomo non è in grado di svelarlo e se mai questo dovesse essere il senso di Lost, considerando che hanno introdotto i viaggi nel tempo che permettono a livello narrativo di arricchire un sacco, io sarei orgoglioso di aver vissuto questa che definisco come una vera e propria "esperienza"! una chicca per la quale vi consiglio di guardare il video che crediate o meno nella teoria, è il fatto che Beth, la tipa alla quale Christian lacera non so che perchè era ubriaco, sembra essere proprio ILANA! o comunque se anche non è lei non crederò mai che la somiglianza è buttata lì a caso... spero che centri davvero qualcosa perchè sarebbe solo FANTASTICO! "Fu..ing Genius" anche Duphe!
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"You have not really understood a thing until you cannot explain it to your grandma." - A. Einstein Last edited by Moyses; 11-22-2009 at 06:16 PM.. |
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Uh....darei una mano volentieri, ma in questo periodo il tempo scarseggia causa cambio lavoro in corso....
Se ci fosse qualcun altro meglio, altrimenti farò quello che posso. Con l'inglese parlato qualche problemino l'ho anche io, ma non dovrebbe essere difficile trovare il transcript. Solo una cosa: ragazzi, vedo con piacere che ci stiamo andando coi piedi di piombo riguardo a possibili spoiler etc etc.....bene così, non abbassiamo mai la guardia però. Verifichiamo due volte, tre se serve, prima di postare. Buon divertimento a tutti
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A me la proposta va bene, ho l'esame di abilitazione forense, ma vedo di ritagliare uno spazio per la traduzione.
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