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Old 04-23-2007, 05:29 PM
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Hi there; interesting theory.

However, unless the writers are picking and choosing attributes of a singularity, it seems impossible. And by picking and choosing, I mean they'd be taking only one or two things known about black holes, and ignoring the rest completely. A few issues I think of off the top of my head:
  • Gravity

    Keep in mind that a black hole would have tremendous amounts of gravity, and by definition would possess an event horizon, that is, a sphere beyond which no known entity can escape, including light--it's termed the event horizon because no event that occurs within the event horizon can ever be observed by someone outside the horizon.

    However, keep in mind that a black hole has no more gravity than any other object of similar mass. The issue is that as you (for example) go underground, you have earth above and below you so the gravity is divided and is decreased. A black hole, being an infinitely small point, you can get arbitrary close to and thus the extreme gravity arises.

    You could also explain the black hole gravity problem by saying that the black hole is extremely small, but that carries it's own issues. (see Hawking Radiation)

  • Tidal Forces

    A black hole would produce a rotating accretion disk, that's the glowing circular thing you see in black hole illustrations. Because of gravitational tidal forces, the disk is extremely hot, as in, more so than the sun. This would make the black hole difficult to contain as even with magnetic containment it would probably melt the apparatus.

  • Electromagnetism

    The author of the post mentioned generating power from the electromagnetic output of the singularity. This would carry it's own difficulties--an electromagnetic field can only be generated by a moving charge. If the black hole has no angular momentum, or is not charged, then you won't get any field from it. However, you will get one from the accretion disk, although for the reasons stated above that will be difficult.

  • Hawking Radiation

    Hawking Radiation is a phenomenon by which black holes literally evaporate by spontaneously emitting particles beyond the event horizon. A black hole small enough not to destroy the island would evaporate in a matter of nanoseconds, and then violently explode.

  • Time Dilation

    The phenomenon specifically mentioned in relation to the Island is time dilation, wherein the passage of time is slowed (or sped) by relativistic phenomena. In this case time would be both sped and slowed on either side of the event horizon. However, to "control" the passage of time (relative to the island at least) you'd have to be able to move into and out of the event horizon, something that's by definition impossible. Another issue is that within the event horizon, all frames of reference happen infinitely fast. In other words, you would see everything that has ever happened and ever will happen for the duration of the black hole happening all at once from within the event horizon.

Nevertheless, interesting theory.
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Old 04-23-2007, 05:56 PM
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@ndufour

Of course you are right. A normal black hole would not fit onto the surface of earth without destructing earth itself.

I think dharma was working onto sth, and was able to put their black hole into a "black box" and Swan station was a tap on the box, which was producing energy for them. You have to "milk the cow" or the udder explodes and the whole inside of the box will come and so on. ( you know what happens with matter when a black hole is around ).

Well, all in all a black hole is not impossible on a island. You just need some technical devices to controll it. Those technical mumbo jumbo must not to be explained for the viewers, it is only important for the story that there is a device, thats all. So and the rest of my theory then fits.

A technical problem in sci-fi series can be solved very easily, you just have to say to the viewers "oh how good scientist inventet a bla-bla machine 50 years ago now it so no problem to do what we want".
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Old 04-23-2007, 09:04 PM
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it would explain why they had such an impossibly strong magnet on the island...if you got close enough, a magnet that powerful would actually pull apart the water molecules in your body and crumple locomotives into the size of quarters.
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Old 01-23-2009, 06:06 PM
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Many strange coincidences happened and i was thinking that some thinks are really unlikely. So my idea is simple.I dont really believe that all the coincidences are coincidences ( fortuity ) at all.
Maybe it is all well planed and organised. For example Hugo's lottery jackpot win, he is winning so many millions with those numbers, then he flies around to find out the "bad thing" behind those numbers, his plane crashes on the island where the numbers originally came from and he finds a bunker with his "bad numbers" printed on it with a computer in that bunker which also "demands" those numbers. Quiet unlikely, this is never a coincidence.

So there has to be a "knowing person" a "controlling person", which can see into future or maybe into the past, the direction maybe is not so important i guess. Desmonds visions are a hint in that way and there were a lot of theories about the island being in another time zone and stuff like that. But maybe the island is not just in another time, like future or the past, maybe the island is completly "outside of time". Maybe completly high above of time. Like a Zeppelin or aerplane the island is "flying" above the whole time/history and persons on the island are able to see the complete timeline, the "past, present and future" or see even alternating time lines, which they can influence.
Aldo was reading a book "A Brief History of Time" from Steven Hawking. A few years ago i read that book. Hawking wrote a lot of things about quantum singularities/black holes and how those influence the time inside itself and around it. So i guess there is connection between the island. Maybe the island is some kind of a quantum singularity ( endlessly bending of time-space which would make the island invisible like a black hole ), that would mean that time on the island would flow very slow and time beyond the island would flow very quickly.

Juliet and some others are talking often about free will and that Juliet still believes in it. Ben somehow doesnt believe in free will. Maybe this is the key. Ben and the others maybe manipulating time. They are some kind of "time-snipers", they sit on their island high above and manipulating time to fullfill their dreams (maybe out of good or bad intentions).
I mean Ben maybe knows the future and also the whole past. Someone who knows the future of course doesnt believe in free will, this is like someone who is sitting in a train and is moving on tracks, the train cannot drive to the left or to the right, the train has to follow the track.

An island like this one, where you can see and send future informations into the "past" allows you to do anything you want. It is like the ultimate weapon. Who owns an island like this has the absolute power over earth, because he can control time.
And thats maybe the reason why there is this strange "tale of 2 cities" theme in lost. Maybe there was a war on the island ( and maybe there is still a war in the outside world between Others and Dharma), two enemies who fought against each other about the controlling of the ultimate weapon, the island. Thats maybe why Marvin Candle is talking about the incident. The incident was the first batlle, the first attack of the others to gain controll over the island and over the world ( maybe with biological warfare which made it impossible to bear a child for all the people ). And because of the war dharma was attaching explosives to the Flame and there was also the communcation system in The Flame, where you can start the self destruction sequence ( Marvin Candle asking about intruders ).
Maybe the Flame is one central point of communcation and also a station of "time manipulation". The Flame was a communcation station, thats obvious, we know that. But it is not only a simple communcation station. Imagine you can not only communicate with outside the island, you can communicate with different times. You can transport important future informations just like stock prices into the past and then of course you can gain a lot of money and power to make your corporation powerful in the outside world.
And thats maybe the reason why the Swan station was built. To communicate with the outside world you need a lot of energy. Luckily the island itself has a lot of energy. Like i wrote, the island is a quantum singularity. All you have to do is to tap the electromagnetic flow and you can produce energy to power the Flame station, so it can communicate with the outside world. Maybe thats the reason why dharma put in the computer with the failsafe mechanism in the swan.
At that time dharma was aware that the others are on the island and that they try to gain control over the stations. So they put a "dead-man's button" into the swan, just like they put explosives in the flame. If the Others would kill all dharma members nobody would be alive to push the button. The energy tap where dharma is getting all his energy would supercharge like a nuclear power plant when the chain reaction is going too high and the whole island would be destroyed. So nobody would be able to control the world, at least a draw situation.

That assumption of gaining controll over the island gives you a lot of power in the outside world, maybe is the origin of Mittelos. Mittelos maybe is a corporation which was founded from the Others after they conquered the stations. The Others after gaining control of The Flame manipulated time, they gave their people outside the island informations about important things, so Mittelos easily was able to grow, get money and got more power in the outside world.
Just like the Widmore Corporation maybe gained all of his power before that war. Widmore Corp. was so successfull because their owners were part of Hanso Foundation/Dharma who sent their people to the island. So they manipulated time, earnt a lot of money and by the way the darma/Widmorde/Hanso people were allowed to do their experiments to create a new better world. But then The Others came, maybe they lived on the island before dharma people came (Black Pearl survivors mainly?). They observed the dharma people and they learnt that the things that they are doing on this island are very important and it can give you full control over the world. Maybe Widmore/Hanso is trying to get back the controll over the island, but i write that later, just keep on reading.

Then there was war between Others and dharma. Dharma lost the war, because they were only scientist, they didnt know that there were dangerous people already living on that island. So they were surprised and they lost control. Maybe thats the reason why the dharma project was aborted, because they lost their source of information, so the ending of dharma was just a matter of time ( in the outside world ). And on the other hand mittelos "the tool of the Others in the outer world" was founded and they gained power and money by manipulating time. One city fall, the Other city rise.

And thats the actual situation on the island. The Others are controlling the island and nobody is aware of this. Maybe the Others are pretending that they are dharma, so the supply drops from outside are still coming. That would also explain why the supply drops are still coming, although dharma initiative was aborted. The Others simply send their "we need supply drop" signal to the year 1975 for example.
And then the plane crashed. Thats the point where i dont know why that happened. Maybe Ben or Jacob manipulated time, gave their people outside the world informations so they were able to initiate the plane crash. And the mittelos people also put the people into that plane, people who are usefull for the Others. For example Jack was on the plane, a doctor who is able to do spinal surgery in Ben.

So this is my theory. I think with this theory you can explain many things.
You can also expand this theory. For example what would happen when Hanso/Widmore were able to smuggle a secret agent into flight 815. For example Nathan, who was killed by Goodwin. Goodwin said to Ana Lucia that Nathan was a bad person. Maybe this would explain his execution.

And there are those files the Others are using. There is a file of Jack, his whole live is written into the file. The Others know anything about every single person on the island. How can they?
The island as a look-out could explain this. Maybe the others just collected informations from the past. Spy out the peoples lives from the moment they were born to the point where they crashed on the island.
And the last thing i was thinking about was the time hops of desmond. That could be also explained by the theory that the swan was a energy collector, which is plugged into the island "quantum-singularity" power. When Desmond is turning the failsafe key, he was in direct contact with the time flow. Just like someone who want to pull out an electrical cord but is getting an electric shock. At that moment time was floating inside Desmond, he was able to jump to different time zones directly. A big happening, because the quantum-singularity was only used to send informations into future or past, was never used before to travel directly through time.
Well, i have more ideas about other aspects. But there are also other storylines which we havent seen yet. For example the origin of the monster.
Wow great work, written April 2007!!!
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Old 02-27-2009, 08:17 PM
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