5x12 Dead Is Dead

[Dr. Chameleon]

Just realised Flocke didn't want Sun to go back to Hydra Island. What purpose was he going to serve her when he went to confront Jacob Hopefully they pick up on this in S6.

I'd sure like to know why fLocke shows an interest in Sun. Hopefully this will give her something meatier to do in the final season.

[sdorian]

Who knows, where did Eloise get the idea that they had to recreate the circumstances of the 815 crash to return to the island? There was a lot of that sort of inexplicable nonsense in S5 that bugged me. When the plot moves along because a character says it's supposed to and gives no reason, I find myself disappointed. Anyone else? Maybe the Losties are on a reality show and the "rules" are set up by the producers...Jacob is a network exec?

or making it up as they go along. I just figured here was as good a place as any to plug this parody:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=.../0/j1PAB6Sgdp8

[Dr. Chameleon]

Anybody else notice that Locke tosses his/Christian's shoes in his pack before taking off from Hyrda Island w/Ben on the outrigger and then proceeds to put them back on whilest sitting on the pier after arriving at the main island?

Any significance to this, i.e., MIB cannot cross water w/shoes on or what?

So we're halfway through the final season and there's been no mention of the shoes, or more importantly, Christian Shephard yet. I can assume with this little time left that Ray isn't going to be back, either? Although they do have a tendency to toss in unexpected character appearances these days.

[Dr. Chameleon]

I'd sure like to know why fLocke shows an interest in Sun. Hopefully this will give her something meatier to do in the final season.

Ouch. This is so not happening. In fact, with the way the story is being told I'm kind of concerned about the whole "character driven" aspect of the show that Darlton claimed they'd be getting back to. I suppose the "flash sideways" are character driven, but I'm one of those people who just aren't connecting with that part of the story at all. Hopefully it'll have more impact upon a rewatch. But on the island who has had the most screen time? Maybe Hurley? Jack is still kind of sidelined, so is Kate. Lapidus, Sun, and Ben are nearly irrelevant. Pretty scary that these people are playing such small roles at this point in the show. Not to mention Desmond, Penny, Walt, Rose, Bernard, etc. I have also heard them say this season was supposed to focus on a Jack and Locke conflict. Halfway through and the two haven't even encountered one another (although I expect sparks to fly when they finally do). Oh, well. Still hanging on to hope that by the end I'll be really impressed with them...

[mboss]

I know that this is months after the show ended, but I'm doing a re-watch and came to this episode. My question is, if Flocke is the Smoke monster and he needed Locke's body in order to impersonate him...then how could he do that on Hydra island where the Aljira flight landed.

We know that the smoke monster was always on the main island, never on Hydra. But the Aljira flight (and Locke's body) never was on the main island. It's one of these things that will probably never be answered, but anyone have any thoughts?

[EaglesBecomeVultures]

Smokey was on Hydra island. He was on the beach...

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Smokey prolly used Christian and rowed over to Hydra, then swtiched to Lockes body. Ive always thought this as well.
Prolly just a flub..
Just like MIB being Locke and Christian at the same time; he's Locke on Hydra with the Airjia survivors and Christian with Sun and Lapidus at the barracks.

[Hopelessly Lost]

I liked that this epi filled in some holes into the past. I love Desmond beating the crap out of Ben.
I think the surprised look Ben gave Sun when she mentioned Christian is b/c he recognizes the name from the research they did on Jack. When Jack was taken to Hydra island to operate on Ben, they had a file on him. They knew lots of info, so I would think they would know his father was Christian & that he was on the plane delivering his dead father back to LA.
I thought the shoes thing was interesting too. Why did he take them off when he crossed to the main island?
Then also being at both places... maybe he's not seen by people at the same time? Maybe b/c he's smoke, he can divide into 2?

[LostHighway]

Virginia Woolf is an "obscure author"? Not unless you've had your head under the sand. . . .

Okay, I'm not super interested in the Locke/Christian shoes debate...BUT...I noticed a book today called "Jacob's Room" by an obscure author named Virginia Woolf (has this never come up before or am I just missing the conversations?) which has some interesting parallels to Lost's Jacob. A couple of descriptions from that esteemed source of literary criticism, Wikipedia:

"The novel centres, in a very ambiguous way, around the life story of the protagonist Jacob Flanders, and is presented entirely by the impressions other characters have of Jacob [except for those times when we do indeed get Jacob's perspective..."

"...the narrative is constructed as a void in place of the central character, if indeed the novel can be said to have a 'protagonist' in conventional terms."

"Jacob is described to us, but in such indirect terms that it would seem better to view him as an amalgamation of the different perceptions of the characters and narrator. He does not exist as a concrete reality, but rather as a collection of memories and sensations."

"Jacob eventually dies in the war and in lieu of a description of the death scene, Woolf describes the empty room that he leaves behind."

Anyone else find this interesting? Is it possible that Jacob might only exist because of the main characters on the show, possibly due to time-shifting or some other twist on the concept of destiny?

So the funny thing about the shoes is the last line in the book (spoiler alert?):
"She held out a pair of Jacob's old shoes." Dude.

[iwannamarryclaire]

I absolutely remember watching this episode for the first time. It was the first time I noticed something was off...