5x08 LaFleur

[jimmy4815]

I recently rewatched this one and i was a bit confused about "LaFluer's" desperation at gettting the "06" back to the island. When he is talking to Jin outside the Dharma infirmy and tells Jin to keep looking, for "as long as it takes". Sure, this desperation would be understandable during the flashes, and when he was yet to fall in love with Juliet and still loved Kate, but i find it weird that he was so intent on getting Jin to find them. It cant of been for Kate, cos he loves Juliet, and him and Jack arent exactly the best of friends, and surely he wasnt that desperate to see Hurley or Sun..What are peoples theories regarding this?

[JulietDetonatesMyHeart]

I recently rewatched this one and i was a bit confused about "LaFluer's" desperation at gettting the "06" back to the island. When he is talking to Jin outside the Dharma infirmy and tells Jin to keep looking, for "as long as it takes". Sure, this desperation would be understandable during the flashes, and when he was yet to fall in love with Juliet and still loved Kate, but i find it weird that he was so intent on getting Jin to find them. It cant of been for Kate, cos he loves Juliet, and him and Jack arent exactly the best of friends, and surely he wasnt that desperate to see Hurley or Sun..What are peoples theories regarding this?

I think it was more like he was just expecting them to come. I mean, afterall, that's why Locke left in the first place. So I think Sawyer was just waiting to see if Locke would actually get them back.

[CameraOne]

I recently rewatched this one and i was a bit confused about "LaFluer's" desperation at gettting the "06" back to the island. When he is talking to Jin outside the Dharma infirmy and tells Jin to keep looking, for "as long as it takes". Sure, this desperation would be understandable during the flashes, and when he was yet to fall in love with Juliet and still loved Kate, but i find it weird that he was so intent on getting Jin to find them. It cant of been for Kate, cos he loves Juliet, and him and Jack arent exactly the best of friends, and surely he wasnt that desperate to see Hurley or Sun..What are peoples theories regarding this?

Well, if the O6 did come wandering back, it would blow his cover. So he needed a heads-up if they did return like Locke said they would.

I thought the sweep was also to find any straggler 815 survivors who were missing (eg. Rose and Bernard) and perhaps in trouble.

[Jacob'sWiseOldMother]

I really love this episode! The constant flip flop of time lines was pretty sneaky and confusing at first but in a re-watch it plays well. Sawyer gets to do what he does best...con people. I also like to see the new "in charge" Sawyer who is confident in the new role of "sheriff".

The last flash got me to thinking about whether this did cause an earthquake of some magnitude during that time line. They mention it felt like an earthquake so that is probably another clue in the dialogue for us. If this was during the time of the Black Rock, could this earthquake have been the cause of a tsunami that washed the ship on to the island? Maybe it even destroyed the statue too.

I think after this point Sawyer is now a believer and he is devoted to John Locke 100%. The fact that John saved their lives is something that Sawyer will never forget. I still hold out hope that John will be resurrected and that he and Sawyer will be reunited after what we have seen in this episode.

The chemistry between Sawyer and Juliet was refreshing to see after all the triangle love stuff. I think they truly fell in love and Sawyer finally had a life he could be proud of. He was content but always had that fear that it would probably not last. One thing about Sawyer is that he is true to his friends and he kept a look out for them constantly.

We get the clue that even the DI in 1974 sent their pregnant women off the island to deliver but I think this was only as a precaution because it looks like the women are able to carry the baby full term and that is not what Juliet said happened to the women after Ben took leadership of the Others. She said they all die in their second trimester so this wouldn't apply to Amy. I wonder if Ben caused the problem somehow?

I laughed at the notion that Horace tells Sawyer he is not "Dharma material"!! These people are scientists and they lack the skills that Sawyer brings to them....street smarts. I actually think that Horace is no dummy and he realizes this after the scene with Sawyer and Richard. Horace knows he needs a good security man and Sawyer fills that job perfectly.

The circular camera angle they used at the picnic table was neat. I love how the DI made sure they all got milk and sandwiches! The appearance of Charlotte as the little, red haired girl was so touching as Daniel just lights up at the sight of her alive!

Richard says to Horace, "That fence may keep other things out but not us." Does that mean the Others are not affected by the sonar?? Do they have some sort of immunity to it?

The scene with Sawyer and Richard was just priceless! It wasn't because Sawyer was conning Richard but because this time he was telling the truth. One thing Richard loves is the truth and I believe he knew that Sawyer was telling the truth to him. Richard still seems to be impressed with the thought of John Locke returning to the island even at this point.

I assume that Paul's body is going to be a sort of payment for the Other men's deaths. Eye for an eye sort of thing I think.What was interesting was the ankh necklace that Amy removed. I'm sure that has some significance and I hope we learn something about that later this season.

I think that Sawyer was right to convince Juliet to stay on the island in 1974. She had no life to go back to at that point. Her life with Sawyer during those three years may have also been her happiest as I think it was for Sawyer. Too bad it had to all end for them.

Best line...Sawyer, "I'm a professional. I used to lie for a living."
Best scene...Sawyer and Richard

[NamasKey]

I really love James and Juliet, they are my favourite. Too much troubles for them, I hope they will be reunited.
Completely agree with you, Jacob'sOldWiseMother.

[Lost Fan 4815162342]

Richard says to Horace, "That fence may keep other things out but not us." Does that mean the Others are not affected by the sonar?? Do they have some sort of immunity to it?

Possibly. I just thought that they were smart enough to crack the code. We see Amy puts in ear plugs and that seems to be all it took.

I assume that Paul's body is going to be a sort of payment for the Other men's deaths. Eye for an eye sort of thing I think.What was interesting was the ankh necklace that Amy removed. I'm sure that has some significance and I hope we learn something about that later this season.

I'm convinced Paul and her were Hostile plants or sympathetic to the Hostiles. Remember her son with Horace, Ethan, takes up with Hostiles along with Ben. The one question I have here is what went so wrong in Hostile territory in 1974 that Paul ended up dead?

[sdorian]

When I first watched this, I thought Amy's plee to bury them was out of her moral convictions. Even though they shot her husband and put a bag over her head, she wouldn't want to just leave their bodies out. But on rewatch, I notice she says "truce". The conditions of the truce between Others and DI (which Mikhail, though an Other, referenced way back when) state not crossing a line, and probably not killing each other. And also, I take it, that people have to be buried. If the Others came up with that addendum to the truce, maybe it shows their knowledge of "bad things happening" (like smokemonster and ghostvisions) when people aren't buried.

again, Locke and Christian weren't buried. I think we're meant to think Yemi wasn't either, but I thought Eko's burning of the plane covered that, honorable ritual...

Jin and Sawyer/LaFleur sound like they've been searching, but they haven't found Rose and Bernard (and Claire) either.

[sdorian]

Now, Sawyer would know the name of the ship and would have known it to be a slaver (from The Brig)..but how would he know that it sailed from Portsmouth?

He made a good guess. Sawyer's not dumb and he's well-read. Maybe he figured Portsmouth's an infamous port. don't know.

Why Sawyer would even LOOK at Kate when she came back is beyond me. Juliet is a much better catch...and a lot more trustworthy too!

Juliet more trustworthy?! ok, I have to disagree.

[sdorian]

I'd like to find out more about Horace. He seems like a good kind person. What's his connection to the cabin? Is he connected to Jacob, or was the cabin reconstituted later? Why does Locke see ghostHorace? (and, for that matter, ghostChristian - if the smoke monster comes to people in forms they would recognize, these aren't people Locke would recognize)

just to throw my two cents in: I like Kate. I think her past, though reflecting a lot of flaws and selfishness, also shows she's pretty badass and tough. I was also a fan of her and Sawyer. I think - at least in earlier seasons - she connected to Sawyer on a not-just-physical level. When everyone was throwing stones at asshole Sawyer, she tried to understand him. She knew he wanted to get people to hate him, and she figured out his past - the letter - before he told her. I liked the confessional "I never" scene between them. And I just, in general (know I'm going against the crowd here), thought they were a good match. I thought Kate fit better with Sawyer than with Jack.

Not that I want to glorify her either, every person's flawed. I couldn't stand how she'd flip-flop between Jack and Sawyer (and Sawyer - if you want to use me, just ask) really didn't seem to mind. Every time she gets hurt, she goes running to someone...maybe why she kissed Jack (to feel good about herself, that she's not bad like Wayne), or slept with Sawyer on the beach (Jack and Juliet), or slept with Jack in LA in the future (hurt over losing Aaron). Not that other characters don't do this (Jack kissing Juliet...). (Juliet with Goodwin and Jack and Sawyer)

I actually didn't think the scene where Kate appears in Jack's home was strange, now that we know what led up to it. She's devastated over giving up Aaron, who she's come to love as a son. And so she's just too depressed to think. ...I am dismayed she's not looking for Claire, like she said she would. So maybe she's still running away from her pain. But I hope, in season 6, to see her marching into the jungle on a search for Claire. I'd also like to hope that being a mom had a monumental change in her personality ("I have a son, I'm not going anywhere") - to love unconditionally, without conning, to care about someone much more than herself, and to give her a sense of maturity and stability. So I guess we'll see if she maintains any of that back on the island.

[sdorian]

I'm convinced Paul and her were Hostile plants or sympathetic to the Hostiles. Remember her son with Horace, Ethan, takes up with Hostiles along with Ben. The one question I have here is what went so wrong in Hostile territory in 1974 that Paul ended up dead?

oh cool, I never thought of that. I was musing about Paul's ankh necklace. Amy takes it and I didn't catch it but LP says she breathes on it, the breath of life. The Ankh symbolizes life, or eternal life, or life in the underworld. So it may be some Egyptian/Other ritual. Maybe Paul's going to be resurrected at the temple.

And the Others didn't take any other bodies in payment, just left the Losties etc. to bury their own. So maybe Amy is a plant.

The Others infiltrated the Losties. Maybe they wanted Amy to get involved with the leader of the DI. (Horace had another woman with him in Portland when they found Ben, Roger, and dying Emily)

Also, it's an odd scene when Sawyer et. al come upon the Others terrorizing Amy. Juliet only just recently stopped being an Other, you'd think maybe she'd be on the Others' side.