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    Quote Originally Posted by karategrrl View Post
    The frightened look on the receptionist in Tunisia when she saw the name on the ledger..
    Yeah, what was up with that? I think we need a receptionist girl flashback No but really I also wondered if it meant anything. She obviously recognized the name right?



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    Not only did she recognize it, but she lost her casual nature...

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    This is a great episode. So much important stuff happens!

    We get to see Ben in Tunisia...we get to see how Sayid comes to work for Ben...we (unfortunately) see Alex's death, we get to see Ben v. Whitmore, and we get what are probably the coolest shots of Smokey in the entire series.

    But oddly, my favorite part of this episode is none of those things. Instead, I LOVE the part where Sawyer takes control of the situation and and breaks away from Ben and Locke with Claire, Aaron and Miles to head for the beach...and also stands up for Hurley against Locke. That little scene is one of my favorite Sawyer scenes in the entire show, because I see this as the place where Sawyer turns the corner and becomes a leader among the group..willing to go out on a limb for others.

    "He ain't goin' anywhere with you, you crazy sonofabitch!"

    GO Sawyer!

    I also like the bit where Bernard calls bull-ony on Daniel's 'translation' of the morse code message. That was awesome!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Was Here View Post
    But oddly, my favorite part of this episode is none of those things. Instead, I LOVE the part where Sawyer takes control of the situation and and breaks away from Ben and Locke with Claire, Aaron and Miles to head for the beach...and also stands up for Hurley against Locke. That little scene is one of my favorite Sawyer scenes in the entire show, because I see this as the place where Sawyer turns the corner and becomes a leader among the group..willing to go out on a limb for others.

    "He ain't goin' anywhere with you, you crazy sonofabitch!"

    GO Sawyer!
    I also love this moment. I love when THAT Sawyer (pre-neutered, DHARMA Sawyer) shows just how much he actually DOES care about other people.

    "You touch one curly hair on his head...and I'll kill you."


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    Quote Originally Posted by karategrrl View Post
    Not only did she recognize it, but she lost her casual nature...
    I assumed her reaction was based on the date of his last stay, not the name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chameleon View Post
    I assumed her reaction was based on the date of his last stay, not the name.
    Interesting thought...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JulietDetonatesMyHeart View Post
    I also love this moment. I love when THAT Sawyer (pre-neutered, DHARMA Sawyer) shows just how much he actually DOES care about other people.

    "You touch one curly hair on his head...and I'll kill you."
    Totally agree. This quite seriously might be my favorite Sawyer scene in the entire show. It's one of those scenes that I rewind once or twice, every time I watch it...just cus it's so good.

    And yeah...that last line was awesome. Especially about Hurley, who he had spent the first 2 seasons making fun of.

    Sawyer sticking up for him in this way was all kinds of awesome!
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    I still have trouble watching this episode because of the scene with Alex, Keamy and Ben. The thing that really bothers me is that Ben knew exactly what kind of man Keamy was but he decided that she wouldn't be harmed and it was only a ploy to get him to surrender. Ben underestimated this man and that cost him her life. Whatever connects Ben to this island became much more important than this girls life at that moment and that is really, really sad.

    We were given proof of a different time line between the island and the freighter by having Doc Ray's body wash up even before he was killed on the freighter. Daniel probably knows the exact difference but he isn't telling us what it is or the losties either!

    Then we get to see Ben in the Sahara Desert in his smoking parka as he fights off some Bedouins. Ben always is a step ahead and has a plan. I would have liked the explanation for the deleted scene of Ben gathering his bag of money and passports from the rock because we see him actually look back at the spot he landed and there he is still laying. Is this time catching up after he comes through the wormhole?? We know that he left the island around the end of December 2004 but ends up in Tunisia on October 21st, 2005.

    Sawyer gets to take a new role of protector on this episode and he does a great job of it!! I love that he gets to slowly become the leader of a group and that it carries over into season 5. I thought the scene of Claire's feet sticking out of the debris of the house was right out of "The Wizard of Oz"!! I don't think she is dead though and I'm not sure how they are going to explain it this season if she really was killed. This show has been pretty good about showing us who is really dead....dead and who is not so I hope they don't try to pull off her as being this zombie gal walking around talking to everybody. I just think they "want" us to believe she is dead by all the little hints they drop but that these all mean something else. Miles line about not being sure if they will live only meant that Keamy was probably going to kill them all in the end because he had just shot Alex dead.

    As for the guy Sayid kills for Ben, I still think that Charles only had his people watching the 06 and nothing more. The guy doesn't even know who Ben is when he confronts him and I would think Charles would have made sure his people knew who Ben was. Ben is good with his cons and used this to fabricate the story of the man running Nadia down. In turn, he got Sayid to be his personal assassin and we get to see his little smirk after Sayid "sells his soul" to help Ben out with the next person. He always knows how to get exactly what he needs by controlling the situation. Except for Alex.

    It didn't take Ben too long to jump back into action and release the BSM. I think they have some sort of connection that we haven't seen as yet. All Ben wants at this point is to get John to the cabin because I think that is the next part of the plan.

    The best scene was between Ben and Charles in London. Lighting these 2 men in both light and dark was great!! Are they both bad guys or is only one of them?? The line that really caught my attention through this whole episode was from Charles. "I know who you are boy. What you are. I know that everything you have, you took from me." I thought of when Richard took young Ben to heal him and told them that he would be changed. This was also a kind of comparison of the finale of Jacob and the MIB here as well. Two opposing sides discussing the island and who controls it.

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    To sawyer not getting shot...he had work to do. He had to be lafleur in the 70's.

    As to the monster summoning thingy underneath the house; that was always there. when the initiative came in, they not only built their barracks over the tunnel system where jughead was kept (unknowingly), but they probably found the passageway, couldn't figure out what it was used for and kept it blocked off for alter study....which is when all their attention was put on time travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DS123 View Post
    As to the monster summoning thingy underneath the house; that was always there. when the initiative came in, they not only built their barracks over the tunnel system where jughead was kept (unknowingly), but they probably found the passageway, couldn't figure out what it was used for and kept it blocked off for alter study....which is when all their attention was put on time travel.
    But they must have built the house around the entrance. That's a strange thing to do. He didn't go downstairs before getting to the original stone wall, so his house either backed up to it (in which case everyone would know it was there) or was built around it.

    What really bothered me about this episode is that smokey is such a crappy security system, if he was ever intended to be that. All that noise and fuss and the mercenaries come out of it basically ok except for one guy.
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