4x01 The Beginning of the End

[tohdom]

Lost Rewatch Episode Discussion for "The Beginning of the End"
(Oct 5 - Oct 11)

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_...ing_of_the_End

[MM0602]

Good start to my favourite season (3 being a close second). Rewatching it I really understand why people say it doesn't feel like a season premiere. It's still a good episode, though. It was good to see Charlie again the first time around, so soon after his death. I do hope we get to see more of Claire's mourning somehow in season 6, because we really didn't get much of her in this episode (or season even). Between this episode and Through the Looking Glass, Jack vows to kill like 10 different people XD. It was a bit much for me. He's starting to go crazy, and I think this is when I started not really liking him so much anymore.

[beccabee]

Haha. I never noticed how much Jack threatened people in those episodes. Now I want to watch them and do my own count. *devil face*

It's funny- I hated him on my first watch, and have liked him more and more with each consecutive rewatch. He's still an idiot, but a much more sympathetic one. :P

[imbeanie]

This isn't really relevant to this episode, but I wasn't sure where else to post this.
Looking ahead to the full Rewatch schedule, I see that we are to begin Season 5 on November 9, although the DVD/BlueRay release is not until December 9. Is the assumption that everyone DVRed/Tivoed all of Season 5? I didn't, so I will be playing catch-up in December, and not posting a lot until then.

[imbeanie]

Beccabee-- How funny: we're having just the opposite response here, wondering how we ever thought Jack was heroic and not just an ego-driven nut. We "affectionately" call out "a$$jack!" in the manner of the Aflac duck whenever he does something particularly ridiculous. (And not to start an all-out war, but I think a lot of our dislike for Jack is not particularly because of the character or writing, but because of Matthew Fox, who although good, seems just a little out of his league, acting-wise. Locke and Benjamin [among others, and Others] are far more over-the-top characters, but O'Quinn and Emerson do such an amazing job, it doesn't matter. Foxy just seems like he is trying so hard to emote, he comes off looking constipated.)

[MM0602]

This isn't really relevant to this episode, but I wasn't sure where else to post this.
Looking ahead to the full Rewatch schedule, I see that we are to begin Season 5 on November 9, although the DVD/BlueRay release is not until December 9. Is the assumption that everyone DVRed/Tivoed all of Season 5? I didn't, so I will be playing catch-up in December, and not posting a lot until then.

Well now that the blogs have been completely abandoned the schedule is a bit pointless. I won't be starting season 5 until the DVD comes out either, but I doubt we'll miss much discussion anyway. I am trying to drag out season 4 until then though... I need constant Lost until May :P

[flight316]

I think this episode is vastly underrated. It builds up well and has some awesome moments. One of those episodes that can probably get you hooked on the show. It did annoy me a bit how we got almost zero mourning over Charlie's death from Jack and Kate in season 4, but I guess we can blame the writers strike.

And lol MM0602 I always noticed how many people Jack vowed/tried to kill in these two episodes. Plus he really wanted to stay behind and blow up the others. I think he just really felt like f****in killin somebody.

[tohdom]

maybe i forgot something about the season 4, but why Hurley says he's sorry he went with Locke, and that he should have gone with Jack instead?

[dubmdell]

It's because Hurley realized a little too late (like Sawyer, Kate, and Claire) that Locke was crazy and Ben was dangerous. Even when Hurley was forced to stay with a specific purpose in mind, he didn't fulfill that role (Locke's dream did), so his being forced to stay was meaningless and reinforced how crazy/dangerous (respectively) Locke and Ben are. Hurley undermined Jack's authority in the parting of the camps and led a number of people who were sitting on the proverbial fence to make the mistake of following Locke to the barracks. Of course, the irony is that if Hurley hadn't followed Locke, he would still be on the Island.

[jbryan1984]

this isn't really relevant to this episode, but i wasn't sure where else to post this.
Looking ahead to the full rewatch schedule, i see that we are to begin season 5 on november 9, although the dvd/blueray release is not until december 9. Is the assumption that everyone dvred/tivoed all of season 5? I didn't, so i will be playing catch-up in december, and not posting a lot until then.

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