1x07 The Moth

[Blitz Wing]

I can't believe Jack blew it with Kate by end of Season 5....especially how much she's all over him in this episode.

[Rambaldo]

So far it sounds so strange... how different it is to hear Kate saying she's got faith, not only before watching the whole 5 seasons, but also before, for example, the first episode of the second season... And at the end of the fifth, Jack will be the one talking the supposed-to-be-language, with Kate trying to be more concrete.

Still talking about roles shift, it sounds quite prophetic when Sawyer tells Kate that the difference between him and Jack is not that big: after 4 seasons, in Dharmaville he'll be a kind of leader, taking decisions and responsability for other people and trying to fix troubles and complications.

And what about Locke... not to talk about the moth thing, that looks pretty mysterious (just a moth will save Charlie and especially Jack, anyway both very important for the future events), let's just consider when he hits Sayid: isn't it too early to be so convinced that no one has to leave the island? By now it should be just about him and his own miracle, it shouldn't concern the others. And aside from that, how could he know about Sayid's plan, and where to find him? It all sounds like an order from the island, or more exactly from Jacob's nemesis, who wants the island to stay hidden, and who might have already started to manipulate Locke, since the first appearance of the black smoke. I mean, Locke appears from the beginning to be in standing communication with the island; without hindsight, we used (together with Locke) to consider this in a neutral, just mystic, almost devine way – but now that we know, Locke turns out to be unwittingly led through specifically oriented dictates, that are now all attributable to a very locatable source.

[blacxthorne]

When Locke admits that he did this, he says that the reason was because he thought it wasn't wise to lead people to the source of a distress call that said "it killed them all" over and over again. Whether he was telling the truth or not, I wouldn't know.

[Rambaldo]

In my humble opinion it's clearly an excuse...

[blacxthorne]

It may very well be. It wasn't very clear, but you're right about that it just seems too early for him to be sabotaging escapes. *shrugs*

[mcelani2]

I don't think that this is out of line. We have already begun to see heavy foreshadowing in these first episodes. Maybe they were purposeful - maybe the writers went back and revisited these episodes just as we did, and wrote a more beautiful piece by doing so.

Michael to Kate: You're going to kill yourself, and she gives that look, and continues digging. There's going to be a very beautiful ending to this series, and maybe a big part of it is the sacrifice of Kate for Jack? Maybe he lays her to rest as part of adam and eve? (Other quote by Kate : I don't want to be Eve...yet?)

[Rambaldo]

(Other quote by Kate : I don't want to be Eve...yet?)

I took this as such a hint as well. We'll see. It could easily be also one of those usual tricks or "traps" of theirs.

[Flyin' High]

And what about Locke... not to talk about the moth thing, that looks pretty mysterious (just a moth will save Charlie and especially Jack, anyway both very important for the future events), let's just consider when he hits Sayid: isn't it too early to be so convinced that no one has to leave the island? By now it should be just about him and his own miracle, it shouldn't concern the others. And aside from that, how could he know about Sayid's plan, and where to find him? It all sounds like an order from the island, or more exactly from Jacob's nemesis, who wants the island to stay hidden, and who might have already started to manipulate Locke, since the first appearance of the black smoke. I mean, Locke appears from the beginning to be in standing communication with the island; without hindsight, we used (together with Locke) to consider this in a neutral, just mystic, almost divine way – but now that we know, Locke turns out to be unwittingly led through specifically oriented dictates, that are now all attributable to a very locatable source.

I can't believe no one else has commented on this! Seriously, why on earth would Locke have knocked Sayid out thus preventing him from locating the source of the transmission? I posted this in the "White Rabbit" thread but at this point, Locke has already had his encounter with the smoke monster. I believe that he was somehow "turned" in the same way as Rousseau's science team. From that point on, Locke is all about the island.

Also, you make a great point that I too thought of when watching "The Moth." How did Locke know where to find Sayid? I don't remember Locke being anywhere nearby when Sayid, Kate, and Boone were discussing their plans for triangulating the signal. Just like you said, sounds like the island may have told him where to go or what to do.

Following Locke's activities and carefully analyzing the things he says is one of my favorite things about doing this Rewatch.

[Jack Shephard's twin]

Quick little note about the whole Adam & Eve thing, it's probably pointless but here goes. In the episode she says "I don't want to be Eve", of course the actress who plays Kate, Evangeline Lilly, is known as Eve. Kinda Ironic..

[Captain Bunny Killer]

Also, you make a great point that I too thought of when watching "The Moth." How did Locke know where to find Sayid? I don't remember Locke being anywhere nearby when Sayid, Kate, and Boone were discussing their plans for triangulating the signal. Just like you said, sounds like the island may have told him where to go or what to do.

I'm pulling from my memory here so I might be wrong but it looked like Sayid was on The Mesa when he was finding the signal by trilateration (not triangulation). If that is correct, I do believe The Mesa isn't far from the camp as it is where they had the golf tournament, so it wouldn't have been hard for Locke to find Sayid, knock him out and return to camp unnoticed.