Those seem more like laws than the Rules (especially since they can be broken).Originally Posted by Choekaas
Those seem more like laws than the Rules (especially since they can be broken).
Yet as we saw, Ben could kill Widmore. I agree with Choekaas that the rules Ben refers to in TSOTTC are the code of Others and not unbreakable rules (unless somehow this rule originated with Jacob and also died with him? Eesh...). I expected to see something retroactively explain this conversation as the seasons moved on, but nothing really did...
I always thought MiB was stuck as Locke because this whole manifestation was something very different from his ordinary manifestations. He needed the body, he tookover a new form to which he would always come back (f.i. after being the Smoke Monster) - before that this fixed form was Jacob's brother.
Yeah, I see the only way this rule could be broken is exception to the rule, (rule does not apply once person who makes up the rules is dead.) There is no reason Ben cannot kill widmore when he breaks into his flat. For one, Widmore allegedly "changed the rules" when he killed Alex, so therefore, why not change the rules further and kill Widmore (unless those rules cannot be changed.) 2nd, Ben was already allegedly banished from the island. He wasnt even on the island. We do know that island rules can be still enforced off island from Michael not being allowed to kill himself (island rule, cannot kill oneself if you are a candidate or if the island is not finished with you yet). But if banished from island with rules changing and allegedly not being able to get back to island (neither Ben nor widmore were supposed to be allowed back as per rules of banishment) why would any "Other Code" be enforceable at that moment. Therefore, the only thing I can conclude is that the rule no longer applied because either 1) Jacob was dead...exception via anarchy or 2) Widmore could now die because he served his purpose (bringing desmond to the island) and the island was through with him. Why Ben would suddenly choose to chance this rule to prevent Widmore from saving penny, when he had the chance to kill penny and didnt because she had a kid is beyond me. Why he didnt just shoot Widmore in the first place in his flat then would make no sense.
Looking over the whole show, I would say Widmore maybe couldnt kill Ben because of a different rule. He had knowledge that Ben had to go back to the island and couldnt alter anything. He couldve found this out via Faraday's journal (if jack, hurley, or kate mentioned to faraday that Ben, Sun and Lapidus also were on the Ajira plane) or Widmore had mentioned that Jacob physically came and talked to him and told him he could not kill Ben because he was needed to win the "war". However, we do know that Ben did not get such a visit from Jacob off island and therefore Ben was obeying a different rule than widmore was, even though the rule was the same. Do not kill Ben because he has to get back to the island or because of whatever happened happened...and Do not kill Widmore because he is an other and they cannot be killed, or MiB Jacob rule of some sort of magic that would not allow Ben to kill widmore.
The only problem with this theory is that when widmore asked ben if he were there to kill him ben replied that "we both know I cant do that" That would assume they are under the same rule (cannot kill an other no matter what or cannot kill each other because the island wont let them) and they both know it.
Make sense...thought not.
Last edited by lostsense; 06-16-2012 at 01:35 AM.
The only thing we have to go on for this rule is what Ilana said. Hes stuck like locke since jacob is dead. Where she got her information can only be assumed (jacob) and whether she was right could only be assumed. Since he never did change to anyone else again, Im going to say she was right...of course maybe she was wrong and all those dead people hurley was talking to was actually MiB...but thats not very likely, even if Michael told him not to blow up the plane which allegedly MiB wanted to use, even though he ended up trying to use the boat.
We do not know if MiB could change once Jack was the new protector. Since Jacob got to make up his own rules once he was protector and hurley would as well according to Ben (though we dont know if he was right we are just assuming) then jack would have to make it a rule as well. There wasnt much time for rule making however in jacks short tenure as protector and the island was shut off which left MiB powerless. We also should assume that MiB didnt feel any different once Jack was made protector as he had to be told that Jack took the job as protector. Since there was no need to masquerade around as locke anymore (the jig was up) why not change into someone better looking once he got to the mainland.
When was he told that? I remember MiB meeting up with Jack and realising he had taken the job.
youre right, checked the transcript. As is the case with most things, its a little vague. He talks to sawyer first and may be unaware that theres been a new protector named. But when he sees jack, he knows instantly its him.
LOCKE: Do you know why I'm here?
SAWYER: I'm guessing you need Desmond to destroy the island.
LOCKE: That's absolutely right.
SAWYER: Then what, Smokey? You going down with the ship? Suicide doesn't seem like your style.
LOCKE: I'm not going down with anything. But you and the rest of Jacob's little "candidates", absolutely are.
SAWYER: We're not candidates anymore.
Locke approaches Jack.]
LOCKE: So it's you.
JACK: Yeah. It's me.
LOCKE: Jacob being who he is, I expected to be a little more surprised. You're sort of the obvious choice, don't you think?
JACK: He didn't choose me. I volunteered.
but they're always killing one another , Widmore kills his pal in 1954 , mikhail kills Klugh , and the 2 women in the looking glass
Juliet was acting directly against the Others whereas Widmore and Mikhail were trying to protect the Island/the Others.
don't see how killing the women in the looking glass was protecting the island . nor the other cases actually .
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