MAJOR Spoilers regarding Episode 3 (Detailed)

[NoMoreFun]

The lamest possible twist: The events in the first 2 episodes are what would have happened if the bomb didn't go off. But it did, so they're still on the island in '77. Enjoy the show.

[jamey]

Originally Posted by orsonkidd

i'm really surprised there isn't more people in the spoiler section freaking out now that it seems that "alt time line/reset" is pretty certain........season six can't start quick enough.

who says we're not?

[jamey]

Originally Posted by NoMoreFun

The lamest possible twist: The events in the first 2 episodes are what would have happened if the bomb didn't go off. But it did, so they're still on the island in '77. Enjoy the show.

seems like if the bomb went off, they wouldn't be on the island...

[jamey]

Originally Posted by KennyJS

I think you're right. Matthew Fox said in an interview a few months back that the season premiere would be very confusing.

If they're still in 1977... that's not too confusing.

If there's a reset, that's not too confusing either.

On the other hand, if they're in 1977 and then it flashes to an alternate reality... that's a pretty WTF moment.

yeah, my wife and i were talking about this last night. we figured you'd hear the sucky flashback noise in the la airport, then see the 77 crew alive -- which wouldn't make sense if there were a reset but NOT an alternate/multiverse timeline thing going.

[bacchini]

kate and claire's conversation seems to be a nightmare. maybe claire's. and then she wakes up. possibly.

[Mazzle]

Originally Posted by Overlord

There could be both a reset and WHH. The two "universes" could be linked at the Temple which might be a magical place powered by the exotic energy where people can view the future. For example the Incident allows for two realities, one where 815 never crashes and one where the Losties, KJSJHM, are still on the Island. Think of it as reset vs WHH.

Through the power of Jacob and the Temple, the Island Losties can witness what their lives would be like had they never crashed. The whispers are simply commentary by those viewing an alternate reality. Jacob presents them with a choice--proceed with life outside the Island as if 815 never crashed (reset) OR take the life they are experiencing on teh Island (WHH).

The choice given people at the Temple is what maddens "X" because he has grown weary of Jacob giving people a second chance on life when in "X"s mind people are really no different whether they are given a second chance on lifeor not. This is why he wants to end this reductio ad absurdum by killing Jacob. But for Jacob, redemption is the name of the game, as long as someone gets it right sometime.

So back to season six, the first episodes show how the Island losties make their way to the Temple believing that nothing happened as a result of the Incident that WHH. However Jacob or his emmisaries intervene and give them hope that if they make it to the Temple they can view their lives reset and make a choice. Making it to the Temple will occupy several episodes and will be frought with obstacles and danger that they will have to overcome, including its impending destruction at the hands of "X" and his allies in the war. Some won't make it to the Temple and will sacrifice their lives so others can make it.

If we knew even a little bit about the temple, maybe it would be plausible. But, I don't know. That seems a little too deus ex machina for me. It's almost as if the Temple is some sort of holodeck and the main theme of the show will be resolved by a questionnaire after they get there and play through a scenario.

Personally, I think it's going to be a loose version of both WHH at ALT. Stuff in the real world will proceed normally at first. It will seem that everything is hunky dory at first and that nobody remembers anything. Meanwhile, the island's "time bubble" makes everything on the island exempt from the reset. On the mainland, new versions of the original tragedies/relationships will start happening and the crap will start to really hit the fan. Perhaps it will even get worse than it was in the original timeline. And then, over the next three years, their memories will start to come back in small bits and pieces. At the end, Desmond, who is the one person who remembered everything because of his special exception status, helps them fully remember everything too. Perhaps things get so crappy that they realize that they have to go back, hop on the Ajira flight and meet up with the non-reset happenings on the island.

Then again, that might mean 2 Ben's, 2 Sun's and 3 Locke's on the island, which would be a bit odd.

[loranna238]

Originally Posted by KennyJS

Episode 3, as already mentioned, will be entitled "What Kate Does."

Apparently Kate ends up in a cab with Claire, who is on her way to sign the papers to the adopted family Richard Malkin told her about. Then, this happens...
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“I’m sorry, I’m so sorry,” she says. “I really wanted this. But my husband… I just can’t have the baby right now.”

There’s anguish. And awkwardness. They’re not invited inside. But after a few more words are exchanged, it’s Claire’s turn to cry out. She cringes, and bends over, apparently and suddenly going into labor.

“Call a doctor!” Kate urges.
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Wow!

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/200...d-filming.html

There is DEFINITELY some kind of reset or alternate reality.

I think what Kate does is take Aaron, just as she did before...

Remember, Claire does not want him initially. Malkin warned that the child would need Claire's goodness, however, it seems that Aaron is always destined not to be part of Claire's life for very long. If it is a different timeline but still observing the whole course correction thing, Kate would help deliver and then take the baby - because she selfishly did that in the timeline on the Island. To me, Kate has some good qualities but her mother was right in that she did what she did (initially) for herself. So she will do what she does, for herself. At least that's my thought.

I suppose the difference between a reset and a multiverse is that in the reset they crash on the island, but I don't see how the multiverse makes people feel so much better, really, because it is kind of a reset as well - because the bomb goes off they never crash. Either way, I think there will be some conciousness jumping around, because there is too much foreshadowing and setup for there not to be.

Of course, this all depends on these being good spoilers and not a ruse to confuse us so they can go in a different direction.

[Overlord]

Originally Posted by Mazzle

If we knew even a little bit about the temple, maybe it would be plausible. But, I don't know. That seems a little too deus ex machina for me. It's almost as if the Temple is some sort of holodeck and the main theme of the show will be resolved by a questionnaire after they get there and play through a scenario.

Yes to deus ex machina, and "holodeck" type apparatus is exactly what I envision. Haha on questionnaire, but point taken.