Mafia XXV - Happily Ever After? A Return To Storyville

[LostHeroes]

Originally Posted by TokyoRose

That, however, has not helped me out in who my vote is going towards. BWIT asking if the mice were civvies was odd, as was LH (?) saying he's more active in this game. I think I recall two or three posts from him...is that considered active?:confused:

For Bwit, yes, that is active. In the first day or maybe two days of 70s Mafia, he only had one post.

[Aldo]

Originally Posted by LostHeroes

For Bwit, yes, that is active. In the first day or maybe two days of 70s Mafia, he only had one post.

So....two posts would be considered active and one post is not.....

That's funny...

[Mandy]

Lol... Ok I need to not post until I can read the thread on a computer and not my little iPod, it's too hard to keep things straight... I was eyeing LH there for a bit but if we can tie him to BWIT then I don't know what I think of him anymore... I do still think it was weird to ask in the thread if you have btsc.... Weird... Anyway... Back later after I have read again...

[Losty McLost]

I too checked Bwit's post count after having the same reaction to LH's post before the aforementioned discovery led me to dismiss it. I'd forgotten Rose's post about her only recalling two or three posts from Bwit: these were my inital thoughts but I checked and learned that I was wrong. I find it odd that Rose didn't.

LH: Certainly.

Originally Posted by LostHeroes

I've played games with Bwit before, and in my experience, he's much quieter when he is a baddie. His "are the mice civvies?" question made me go "WTF? are you serious?" but in this game, he has been MUCH more active than in other games.

Blind Mice are confusing Mice. So, they CAN kill civvies, if they say the same person before ganing BTSC, but not once they have BTSC. Got it.

Here, you defend Bwit to a certain extent, adding that the Mice situation was confusing.

Originally Posted by LostHeroes

Yes, but he could've founds the answer very easily by reading the roles.

Here, you are suddenly saying how easy it was to find an answer. I suppose that the 'confusing' comment could be unlinked to your defense of Bwit but at first glance it certainly doesn't seem that way.

Also, Aldo seems to be stretching quite a lot in regards to the Bwituation (see what I did there?). He started by saying that Bwit had six posts and in his next post had somehow whittled this number down to two. Almost like he's trying to cast suspicion on LH. Weird.

[Aldo]

Originally Posted by Losty McLost

Also, Aldo seems to be stretching quite a lot in regards to the Bwituation (see what I did there?). He started by saying that Bwit had six posts and in his next post had somehow whittled this number down to two. Almost like he's trying to cast suspicion on LH. Weird.

Nope....you have it all wrong... LH was relying to Rose (not me)....and Rose said 2-3... so she says 2 and LH called that a lot..

I was commenting on that... I clearly know he had 6...I poste that...

Hopefully this clears things up...

[Aldo]

BTW....I m off for a bit....RL has taken me hostage (one cannot live on Mafia alone), and now I will deal with that....and my garage... I will check in periodically and vote later..

Have fun ya'll....

[LittleTiger]

Phew! I had forgotten how much gets posted in these games....go to sleep and boom, thread explosion lol........all caught up now.

So, BWIT seems to be the main topic of discussion. I see that his asking the question about whether Mice are civvies or baddies has really stirred things. My initial thought was "wtf?" and then with all the people coming out and saying that he skims, is lazy, is zany, is crazy, is quiet..... well, what to think? I am still confused as to why he would ask such a question. I also note that several people who defended him are now willing to vote him. I am guessing this was because he was bad in 70's and did the same thing.

CN - Prior gameplay does put new players at a disadvantage (I know, I was one once), but it can be helpful and is used frequently on this site. I am surprised that you propose a plan and proceed to implement before discussion. However, it was also something already discussed and dismissed as not workable. BTW - where do you usually play? I would hazard a guess it is mafiascum

I am not sure where my vote will go just yet.

*goes to get 2nd cup of coffee*

[LoRab]

Originally Posted by BenWantsIcedTea

It's just that I keep reading parts about the mice getting to kill civvies in another post. I could be wrong, though.

Having been the civie victim to a civie ninja role twice in recent memory, I can assure you that it's normal for civie killers to be able to kill civies.

Originally Posted by Comfortably Numb

mut(ish) point: metagaming, other games, play and stratergy don't count - it seriously not cool
/whinge

First off, whinge might be my favorite word that I've learned this year!! Also, in response, it's been said already, and I do understand where you're coming from, but using previous games is part of our "mafia culture" on here and on TP. Personally, I can't help but compare someone's game play in one game to their play in the current game--a lot of people have "baddie tells" and it's only from other games that this becomes evident. I do understand that it can seem unfair but if someone seems bad to me based on the way I've seen them play in other games, I'm not going pretend I'm suspicious of them for other reasons--and it would also be unfair if those of us who have played games together were not able to use that as part of how we form suspicions.

I also know that I'm one of the biggest offenders in terms of bringing up past games...so, I apologize in advance...and I know it can seem off putting to newcomers to our games...but it's truly not meant that way.

Originally Posted by Losty McLost

I found the bolded bit fairly suspicious. I didn't find your defense of Bwit suspicious but this makes me a bit suspicious. Textbook wifom, right? That is, if you're a baddie, you could directly defend Bwit because no-one would ever think you would do it as a baddie teammate of him. I thought it was suspicious that you pointed it out straight away, almost like you had planned to do it if questioned because you had that exact defense planned when you directly defended Bwit. If any of that makes sense. But yeah, hopefully someone gets what I mean.

Personally, Sco's post didn't do anything one way or the other for me. Coming from anyone else, it might have seemed wifomy, but Sco almost always points this out regardless of alliance. And, in my experience, it's true that he doesn't defend teammates...he's much more likely to throw his fellow baddies under the bus (one of the many reasons I appreciate him...). I'll keep an eye on Sco, but I don't have a read on him at all at this point. Of course, he's also maddeningly impossible to read, so there's that, too.

Originally Posted by Bubbles

Yes, but the fact that he didn't know the mice were civvie... How does that make him bad? If he was bad he would know they aren't on his team. I would think if he was bad he'd at least check out the other baddie teams abilities and he'd know they weren't from that team... I just don't see how him getting confused on this fact makes him bad...

I don't want to sound like I'm defending him too much... But crap like this happens every game it seems.

But crap like this has also lead us to many a baddie lynch...especially in the first couple of rounds.

Originally Posted by Aldo

I won't be voting for BWIT, no way. It defies logic that he would be allowed to pull such a bone-headed move if he was on a baddie team. Unless he is the BBW...

I am going back and isolating certain posts, lots to read and opinions are now out in the open for scrutiny. BWIT is just too easy of a target at the moment I think. And people are reacting a little too fast on it I believe. If he is a baddie he will join the ranks of classic Mafia Blunders.....

I am waiting to see what else shakes loose today...

Aldo--you know darn well that baddies don't always listen to advice...and sometimes post before going to their team.

I do think there's something to what you say about the easy target, though...it could be some day one bandwagoning. On the other hand, I do find BWIT suspish.

For me, it's not so much that he didn't know the answer. It's more that it seemed like input for the sake of input...knowing he might seem bad if he didn't offer his 2 cents into the current conversation...perhaps he actually was listening to his teammates and was giving input so that he didn't seem suspish; if that happened, though, I imagine that his post didn't exactly garner the reaction that they had hoped for.

Originally Posted by LostHeroes

I was just really surprised at SVS's reason. I was not flipfloppy.

You kind of did seem flip floppy. Your first post that she quoted seemed to be mildly defending BWIT...your second seemed to be against him. Even if it was in response to someone else, it very much sounded like it was against him.

Did one of your teammates say something in the BTSC chatroom during those 3 hours about not defending each other?

Originally Posted by Losty McLost

As for the second part of your post, I don't like that you presented two options and then chose one before asking opinions and I found it a little bit suspicious, too. I disagree with the idea of nominating people, btw, because it makes the mice's jobs harder and the lookout's job easier, which, obviously, is not good for the civvies.

I agree.

[Canucklehead]

I'm not sure what to make of this BWIT business...I tend towards the side of "No mafia team would ever let a player be that much of a goof in the thread", but I suppose there's always the chance that he didn't check in with his buddies before posting.......and Frex makes a good point that he has been awol during most of the discussion...maybe a case of "STFU and let us fix this mess you've made?".......

Don't know.

I'm leaning towards voting Bwit, but am holding off because of the bandwagon that seems to be rolling....But then again, I usually randomize on Day 1, so even my confuddled bwit thoughts are more solid than my normal Day 1 route......

If I don't vote bwit, TR is likely to get my vote. She seems off/confused this game (which is not something I associated with the name of Tokyo Rose! ).....and last game I played with her my vibes about her baddiness were Right, and I allowed myself to be talked out of them.....don't want that to happen again!!

*goes to check when poll ends*

[Long Con]

Originally Posted by scocub

also, i do have to say that i found it interesting that lc posting this quote from shinny...

...as a definitive answer to whether or not mice could kill civilians. I feel like a savvy player like lc would have know that this quote could also be interpreted as "successful" in btsc contact and not as successful in killing. Is it possible that lc was trying to make someone else look bad by saying that statement was clearer than it really was?

A savvy player like me sees that what you are suggesting would make the sentence illogical. The mice can't be "successful" in gaining BTSC if they already have it, as the latter part states is a possibility. The only other "success" the mice can have is a successful kill. In fact, this sentence clearly contradicts what Shinny later clarified as her intended rule, which is why she said it was a Host mistake, not a misinterpretation by players. But I'm glad certain players were able to feel as though they should gloat, because it's important for everyone to feel good about themselves.

Originally Posted by scocub

i'm have a bit of trouble deciphering but i can say that i am in no way affiliated with bwit.

Anyone who has ever played with me as a baddie knows that i never defend a fellow baddie. I have no idea if bwit is bad or not but i did not think his post came across reeking of deception. It seemed more like genuine confusion. You never know what can get the ball rolling against someone so i though i should speak up about my take on his post. His could be a confused civvie or baddie but his confusion in itself does not make me lean one way or another on his alignment.

Originally Posted by losty mclost

I found the bolded bit fairly suspicious...

That's very interesting, Losty, because I was going to highlight the second bit (well... I just did) as setting of my gut suspiciometer. It just occurred to me that scocub could be on the OTHER evil team than BWIT, and still take wicked glee that this statement was entirely truthful.

It's really not a BIG OBVIOUS CLUE to his alignment, it just set off my gut, instantly. That, combined with cases that you and I think bleag have made, COMBINED with the fact that he tried to make me look suspicious for the Mice thing... makes him a front runner for my vote, tbqh.

Originally Posted by comfortably numb

back on major topic, as i can't add more to he back when we were playing club... Mice:
Opt 1 - do we leave them vanilla for now, till they have a target.. We may loose one at some point, reducing the group and kills, but it's safe.

opt 2 - n1 nominate two targets based on what we think we found today and take a 50/50 chance the lookout diverts them to a baddie/civvie kill; odds are fairly even of a lookout success

the advantage of opt 2 is we nominate players now and see if it brings forth some info as well as being procative on a plan. Just incase this flag flies up your pole with some degree of interest. I'll nominate scocub and bwit, they can input/repond if they want, hell they can nominate too

I like option 2, and your nominations look good to me as well. However, I would not be surprised if one of these two ended up lynched, and then your plan for the mice would need some serious reworking. Any ideas about an understudy?