Discuss "Lord of the Flies" (main thread)

[Nick7er]

Here are the 2 scenarios I see in comparison to LOTF:
1. Ralph is LOST's Jack, Simon represents Locke, the strange social outcast who mysteriously knows more than the rest (especially about the beast, or LOST's smokie), and LOTF's Jack represents Ben and his group of others (the group of savages by the end of the book).
-OR-
2. LOTF's Jack is in comparison to Locke, who later becomes the leader of the Others (just like Jack becomes the leader of the savages). The savages obviously don't want rescue in LOTF, just like The Others and Locke in LOST). And obviously in both stories there is rescue at hand.

[chelsea07]

Hey, did anyone think maybe Simon was kind of like Charlie? Or Desmond even. Because Simon kind of risks his life to help everyone else (by finding out about the parachutist and trying to tell everyone, he dies). I dunno, I always thought of Simon kind of a "Jesus" figure, he dies to help everyone else. So anyone who sacrificed themselves to help others in LOST, is like Simon, right?

[Jacob'sWiseOldMother]

Charlie did risk his life to help get people rescued and off the island but I guess I didn't think of him being a "Jesus" type figure. He wasn't really reborn or anything but he did get his redemption story. Now to me Desmond is more like a "Jesus" type figure. He is told that he must push that button or every man, woman and child will die if he doesn't. The scene of him in the jungle after the Swan implosion reminds me of a sort of rebirth scene. Desmond wakes up completely nude and somehow miraculously alive.

I guess I think of Simon as being more like John and one with their islands. Simon knew the truth about the "monster" and tried to tell the children but he was murdered instead. I think John also somewhat understands the "monster" and knows why the island is so special. He doesn't have all the answers because Lost is more complicated than LotF is. Simon was a shy, little boy who had courage to face this unseen monster and his discovery was lost to the other children because of their lack of civilized communication.

[lostrulz]

I have never posted in this forum b4 and missed out on the reading of Carrie for the book club but did manage to secure a copy of LOTF in hopes of contriubting to your discussion.
I felt while reading that the LOTF character Ralph was parallel with Jack on LOST. Both were characters that had the moniker of "leader" thrust upon them and became reluctant leaders in the quest of rescue from the island. Both characters also fought off becoming cynical and instead seemed to turn negatives into positives.
In the beginning, I had to compare LOTF's Jack with Locke for the hunting factor and apparent no desire to leave the island. After Jack's obvious lust for power, I had to equate him to Ben. So that left me torn btwn Locke/Ben for Jack.
It was easy for me to see Piggy in Hurley. The need for lists, the butt of jokes, trying so hard to fit in with the other "groups" only to be turned back from hunting, mapping the island, etc with the excuse that he'd be dead weight...he was needed elsewhere.
I had to chuckle with the introduction of Sam & Eric and couldn't get Steve & Scott out of mind.
Simon I compared to Charlie because they both saw things with fresh eyes and could bring a new light to most situations surrounding them, but because of their checkered pasts (Simon's "episodes"/Charlie's addiction) neither character was taken seriously.
The beast and the terror it inflicted on the group reminded me of Smokey
Roger could be compared to either Michael (does what he needs to do just to get by) or Keamy (soldier first and foremost)
I must say it was a most interesting read. I hadn't read this book since the 8th grade which was mmpph years ago and sitting down and reading it with a LOST mind set was quite intriquing. I'm really looking forward to reading other peoples takes on the book in the next few weeks and hope to get my copy of Slaughterhouse Five in time for next months read.

[blueeagleislander]

Originally Posted by chelsea07

Hey, did anyone think maybe Simon was kind of like Charlie? Or Desmond even. Because Simon kind of risks his life to help everyone else (by finding out about the parachutist and trying to tell everyone, he dies). I dunno, I always thought of Simon kind of a "Jesus" figure, he dies to help everyone else. So anyone who sacrificed themselves to help others in LOST, is like Simon, right?

Well, Boone. Sacrificed himself to try and get the message out about the survivors.

[chelsea07]

Yeah, I never even thought of Boone. That makes sense. Also, still going along the lines of Charlie, his last message was that it wasn't Penny's boat. He was trying to tell everyone that they were wrong. Kind of like Simon's last message was it's not a monster.

[Jacob'sWiseOldMother]

Originally Posted by lostrulz

I have never posted in this forum b4 and missed out on the reading of Carrie for the book club but did manage to secure a copy of LOTF in hopes of contriubting to your discussion.
I felt while reading that the LOTF character Ralph was parallel with Jack on LOST. Both were characters that had the moniker of "leader" thrust upon them and became reluctant leaders in the quest of rescue from the island. Both characters also fought off becoming cynical and instead seemed to turn negatives into positives.
In the beginning, I had to compare LOTF's Jack with Locke for the hunting factor and apparent no desire to leave the island. After Jack's obvious lust for power, I had to equate him to Ben. So that left me torn btwn Locke/Ben for Jack.
It was easy for me to see Piggy in Hurley. The need for lists, the butt of jokes, trying so hard to fit in with the other "groups" only to be turned back from hunting, mapping the island, etc with the excuse that he'd be dead weight...he was needed elsewhere.
I had to chuckle with the introduction of Sam & Eric and couldn't get Steve & Scott out of mind.
Simon I compared to Charlie because they both saw things with fresh eyes and could bring a new light to most situations surrounding them, but because of their checkered pasts (Simon's "episodes"/Charlie's addiction) neither character was taken seriously.
The beast and the terror it inflicted on the group reminded me of Smokey
Roger could be compared to either Michael (does what he needs to do just to get by) or Keamy (soldier first and foremost)
I must say it was a most interesting read. I hadn't read this book since the 8th grade which was mmpph years ago and sitting down and reading it with a LOST mind set was quite intriquing. I'm really looking forward to reading other peoples takes on the book in the next few weeks and hope to get my copy of Slaughterhouse Five in time for next months read.

I like some of your comparsions! I never thought to associate Sam and Eric with Scott and Steve. They are similar as they are both background workers who never get credit for what they do. And no one can tell them apart because no one really cares!

I also like the Charlie and Simon comparison. Simon has more of a connection to the island than I think Charlie did and that is why I thought he was a bit like John. I think of Simon as being more shy and reserved than Charlie.

I agree with LotF Jack being a combination of both John and Ben but I think he became more like Ben as the story continued. Jack got the boys to do what he wanted and that's when I thought of Ben.

As for Roger I was creeped out by his character. The way he watched the little boys as they played was weird. I think he was the most disturbed boy on the island. The fall to becoming wild with no rules was very easy for him. He could kill easily with no regrets in his mind. Sounds like Keamy to me!

[blueeagleislander]

I'm surprised no one's made the Piggy-Hurley comparison.

Same physical appearance, and especially early on behave the same way. Eager to help, but sort of excluded by the leaders. Oh, and the census. Could think of more but I'm tired.

[Jacob'sWiseOldMother]

Originally Posted by blueeagleislander

I'm surprised no one's made the Piggy-Hurley comparison.

Same physical appearance, and especially early on behave the same way. Eager to help, but sort of excluded by the leaders. Oh, and the census. Could think of more but I'm tired.

Oh, we did but that was back on page 1! I always thought that Piggy was the voice of reason and civilization on the island. I think Hurley is the same way on Lost. He says what all of us at home are thinking. Piggy was there to help Ralph out and I think that Hurley does that for a lot of people on Lost. Hurley is kind of the island morale booster! Golf anyone?

[booradley]

I forgot how depressing this book was. I feel so sorry for ol' Pigmeister with his specs and his ass-mar and his "I've got the conch". Poor li'l Pig.