Whatever Happened Happened

[Maryann Rose]

I was surprised that there was no thread for this episode!

I don't usually post too much, but I read everything, and did not see anyone ask the following:

When Jack and Kate are discussing whether to save Ben, and Jack is refusing, Kate says:

"This is our fault. We brought Sayid back. We caused this."

Perhaps I'm missing something, but could someone explain to me HOW Jack and Kate brought Sayid back?

This has been bugging me since the original episode aired!

:confused:

[Lost Fan 4815162342]

I think one of the key things to remember about that dialog is that Kate is not the brightest bulb on the planet. She acts and talks before engaging her brain. It is at times irritating, because the character started out with a lot of promise but has devolved into the stereotype of dumb, hot chick.

[JulietDetonatesMyHeart]

I actually really like this episode and I almost can't explain why. Since I got the S5 DVDs it's been one of my most rewatched.

[Dr. Chameleon]

I missed that Kate quote, but rather than blame the character I blame the writers. I think sometimes they ignore what's actually been on the show and just work on a general memory of what happened. I mean, it's great that Gregg Nations remembers what combinations they used on the lock in the Swan, but let's get the actual story points down, please. I don't know how much power he has, so I don't mean to blame him, specifically, but the production team as a whole. Ilana brought Sayid and they don't even know who she is yet. Okay, nerdy fanboy rant over.

Some observations on this ep.:

Kate is singing "Catch a Falling Star" to Aaron just like Claire wanted the adoptive parents to. Also, how did Cassidy end up living the straight life?

Why is Dharma's doctor at the Looking Glass until Friday? I still don't grasp what the point of that station is, unless it's a place where they have to stop before going out on the correct bearing so they don't scramble their brains.

Kate's comment about not liking "the new" Jack also fed my suspicion a bit that Jack might've been replaced the same way Locke was, but I don't think there's anything to it. Nonetheless, it is a huge turnaround for Jack who in the past would never let anyone die. I understand he might regret letting Ben live once already, but he also just spent several days working with Ben to get everyone back to the island. And now he wants that kid to die? A little hard to swallow, although at some point in the past I would've been cheering for Jack on that point. Of course the irony is that by not helping young Ben, Jack is helping to create the adult Ben that will go on to torment him later. I am as uncomfortable as Kate with the way Jack keeps talking like Locke in S5 ("did you ever think that the island wants to fix things for itself?"/"I came back because I was supposed to.").

Does Juliet know exactly what the Others are capable of when she suggests they can help Ben?

Good God how could they show the marina scene AGAIN? Really annoying. And is there anything more to that scene with Kate losing Aaron in the grocery store, and the mirror-universe Claire who is holding his hand? Was it Jacob/X/Ben messing with her, or just a totally random coincidence?

Was it a stylistic choice or something more when Richard takes Ben to the temple and the lighting is all funky? Also, Ben clearly did not forget everything after, so why did he selectively forget who gave him the gunshot wound? Wouldn't he seem like a total freak when he goes back to live with his dad after this? I still am not crazy about this "Revenge of the Sith" C3PO mind-wipe plot device. And what does "his innocence will be gone" mean, exactly?

Locke is awfully damn creepy at the end...is "the land of the living" more ironic than just a reference to his own death? Is it a comment on the island itself?

[JulietDetonatesMyHeart]

Why is Dharma's doctor at the Looking Glass until Friday? I still don't grasp what the point of that station is, unless it's a place where they have to stop before going out on the correct bearing so they don't scramble their brains.

LOL I thought I was the only one that still doesn't get it. They could easily have jammed signals from the Island. That's a good theory about what it could be for. Maybe it's like a "check point" before leaving the Island.



Does Juliet know exactly what the Others are capable of when she suggests they can help Ben?

I've wondered this too. I think she might've been thinking about all she'd heard in some of the flashbacks of hers we've seen about the island healing and about Jacob curing Rachel's cancer.



And is there anything more to that scene with Kate losing Aaron in the grocery store, and the mirror-universe Claire who is holding his hand? Was it Jacob/X/Ben messing with her, or just a totally random coincidence?

Also, notice that there was a prominent mirror in the back of the store...I think it'd be cool foreshadowing if there turned out to be some sort of Alternate blah blah in S6, but otherwise I think it was more just to illustrate Kate's angst during the period she was raising Aaron - always thinking "it's about time" for something bad to happen.



Was it a stylistic choice or something more when Richard takes Ben to the temple and the lighting is all funky? Also, Ben clearly did not forget everything after, so why did he selectively forget who gave him the gunshot wound? Wouldn't he seem like a total freak when he goes back to live with his dad after this? I still am not crazy about this "Revenge of the Sith" C3PO mind-wipe plot device. And what does "his innocence will be gone" mean, exactly?

I'm still not clear on his mind-wipe. How can he only remember certain things and not others? LOL @ losing his innocence with Richard inside the Temple. I wonder what happened in there.

[Dr. Chameleon]

LOL @ losing his innocence with Richard inside the Temple. I wonder what happened in there.

:eek: :eek::eek:

Re: the mindwipe, though, lil' Ben is talking to Widmore in the next episode "Dead is Dead," and presumably he's fresh out of the temple, but he's asking for his dad and stuff. Was only his short term memory erased? Only the specific wound that caused him to be taken to the temple? That's a bit nonsensical.

And on the Looking Glass, it's this very inexplicability about it (sure, it was related to jamming, but why would it be underwater and why would the sub have to go there?) that makes me think there's a bigger mystery yet-to-be-revealed about travel to and from the island. Although in 1974 Horace tells Sawyer that the sub will drop them off in Tahiti, so I don't know if I'm making too much of this. I was just so bummed when the sub turned back in "The Incident"!!!

[Lost Fan 4815162342]

… I blame the writers. I think sometimes they ignore what's actually been on the show and just work on a general memory of what happened. I mean, it's great that Gregg Nations remembers what combinations they used on the lock in the Swan, but let's get the actual story points down, please. I don't know how much power he has, so I don't mean to blame him, specifically, but the production team as a whole. …

I think a lot of continuity problems in "Lost" may have to do with the fact that it has so many writers in a show that is trying to tell one long, complex, epic tale. The only show I know of that was doing that and kept it together was "Babylon 5." And the key element to that happening was that there was that there was one scriptwriter and one only: J. Michael Straczynski (sp?) He wrote every script, wrote it himself. And as I understand it, instead of writing a story, then having scriptwriters take from there, he did it all. There might have been staff who handled the nitpicky details like copying and inserting cxes, etc. but it was JMS all along, and he came down with a nasty case of carpal tunnel syndrome if I recall the details correctly.

"Lost" has pretty high standards compared with other shows, but it does not begin to reach that level of vision and control. I try not to think of the differences between B5 and "Lost" in that regard. I just loved those epilogs at the end of each story. God, JMS is a great writer. So are the "Lost" writers, but no one owns the writing, as JMS did, so there is going to be some loose joints and odds and ends.

[BenthamLives]

Maybe they want to think its a writer mistake, or not to notice it at all! It could be the key to the whole show...
Kate and Jack are working with Ilana and her group to take down Smokie and whoever else gets in their way to claim the island for themselves!
Just a thought :)

[CameraOne]

Kate's flashbacks were very strong and the goodbye scene with Aaron was very powerful.

But I hated how she tried so hard to save Kid Ben. I really can't buy that she's doing that because of losing Aaron. And knowing that her doing is exactly what made Ben the creep he is today was incredibly frustrating (just as the preceding episode Sayid pretty much ensured Ben would end up the way he did). Because of that, I find the 1970s scenes annoying and boring to watch.

[Dr. Chameleon]

On the other hand, it was sort of the same sensibility in Kate that Ben showed when he spared Penny because of Charlie Hume. Or, at least, it appeared to, we don't know exactly what would've happened since Desmond tackled him. As much as it is hard to stomach the idea of letting Ben live, I think it's key for the characters to learn forgiveness and mercy. The more they try to get revenge the worse things seem to get.

[Richard Was Here]

I just assumed that when Kate said that, she meant "we" to mean "flight 316".

Sayid did not get on the plane willingly, it's true. But both Kate and Jack knew before the plane even took off that it was gonna crash. Maybe Kate is implying that they could have warned Ilana but chose not to because they wanted Sayid with them anyway.

It's a stretch...but hey, it's better than nothing. And if I think of it that way, that line doesn't bother me at all.

[MM0602]

Kate really redeemed herself in this episode. I was so glad to find out she didn't come back for Sawyer, but for Claire. Her flashbacks are awesome. I feel so bad for Aaron. That kid is going to have such a messed up life regardless of whether Claire does get back to him or not.

I agree Juliet and Kate wanted to save Ben a bit too much, but it IS just a kid. I wouldn't feel right not doing anything. Don't know if I'd go to such desperate measures though but it is a tv show.

Oh also, love how Juliet just told Jack off. She is so tragic :(

[Richard Was Here]

Kate really redeemed herself in this episode. I was so glad to find out she didn't come back for Sawyer, but for Claire.

I was glad to see this also. It was certainly a step in the right direction for her character.

I'm still not a huge fan of the character, but gotta give credit where credit is due, nonetheless.

[sdorian]

sidenote: I love the music on the show. Here, Patsy Cline. :) How would Kate know to sing Catch a Falling Star? Aaron's song. Christian sang it to Claire, Claire wanted it sung for Aaron; it was playing on the mobile at the staff when Ethan took her...

Sawyer could've briefly thought that Jack let Sayid escape - although he was with him for the burning van.

Here's a thought, Jack exercised free will (rather than being manipulated like he was once) in not operating on Ben, letting fate/the island take over. But if Jack had acquiesed to the surgery, then maybe Ben would not have been healed at the Temple and officially Otherized. ...although Ben would still be alive and would probably betray DI and join the Others at another juncture...

Why does Kate want to save Ben so badly?!

The Hurley-Miles conversation is, of course, brilliant. LOST takes a different approach to time travel than, as Hurley references, Back to the Future. In a scenario like that, if you alter something in the past, you have to fix it. But in Lost, it fixes itself. or rather, that you're supposed to go back in time, that that's how it originally plays out. It seems to eliminate paradoxes. But there are, of course, paradoxes - like the compass or Locke thinking he has to die or... I'm reminded of Des waking up 3 years in the future with a new memory of the past. That's necessarily part of this whole time travel concept. Daniel is killed in the past but alive in the future...what a shock to Eloise when she recognizes her son, growing up, is indeed the man she killed...depriving her son, all along, of enjoying life (work, not girlfriends or piano), knowing the whole time she's going to kill him...that's messed up....but that's another episode...

Now that I know what happens, it doesn't have that much impact on me, but the first time I saw the scene where Kate gives up Aaron, it got me crying. She really did love him as her son, but she had to do the right thing. that said, find Claire!

Has anyone noticed, in earlier episodes, if there was some hint of Richard knowing not only Locke, but Sawyer and Kate as well?

Ben's innocence being gone and Ben always being an Other - guess Otherness isn't synonymous with goodness and innocence as they wanted people to believe. Richard also says he doesn't answer to Charles or Ellie.

that Locke is not Locke might explain why he doesn't kill Ben...although maybe real Locke wouldn't want to kill Ben either. He didn't try to kill Ben after Ben tried to kill him the first time. And Locke's devised a worse punishment for Ben, getting him to kill Jacob as Ben tried to get Locke to kill Cooper...

[sdorian]

Maybe Kate said, "We brought Sayid back" as a collective "we". She said she doesn't know why everyone else came back, only why she did. But maybe, regarding Sayid, she was speaking generally. If none of them had decided to come back...that they, the O6, caused this...still don't see why she wants to save Ben.


Also, how did Cassidy end up living the straight life? Maybe because of Clementine? the last we saw her con, she was pregnant, but hadn't had her yet. And then, she got all that anonymous money from Sawyer, so maybe she wouldn't need to con for the money... I love the character Cassidy by the way, and I think her and Kate make good friends.



Why is Dharma's doctor at the Looking Glass until Friday? stumped me as to why they'd need him there...

I think I like new Jack better...he's come a long way. Letting go of the need to take charge, fix...dawning on him all this island stuff might no longer be coincidence...searching for a higher purpose



Does Juliet know exactly what the Others are capable of when she suggests they can help Ben? good question!



Good God how could they show the marina scene AGAIN? Really annoying. And is there anything more to that scene with Kate losing Aaron in the grocery store, and the mirror-universe Claire who is holding his hand? Was it Jacob/X/Ben messing with her, or just a totally random coincidence?

I think it was needed for Kate's scene later with Cassidy, as to how she ended up realizing she needed Aaron and how she came to do the right thing. And we've seen what happened to everyone else here except her. (next will be Desmond...well, Ben, then Des) Then again, we don't need this scene, because Kate pretty much explains it to Cassidy and the audience can imagine the rest.

[sdorian]

losing his innocence with Richard inside the Temple. I wonder what happened in there.

hehehe to Dr. Chameleon's :eek::eek::eek: , I add a few more :D:eek::D:eek:

[tohdom]

yes, Kate is right. They brought Sayid back, in a way.
If they did not gather on the plain it would not crash at all.
Or If somebody refused to return, the crash would be unpredictable. As the oracle-woman said (forgot her name)

[eepdoodle]

Why is Dharma's doctor at the Looking Glass until Friday? I still don't grasp what the point of that station is, unless it's a place where they have to stop before going out on the correct bearing so they don't scramble their brains.

Dharma used submarines to ferry people to and from the Island. Submarines don’t have windows. They navigate using SONAR (sound waves in the water). The purpose of the Looking Glass was likely to act as a sonar beacon and aid in the submarines’ approach to the Island. That’s why it was underwater.

Why did they need such a massive station to do such a simple task? Well, it’s just cooler that way.;)

[Dr. Chameleon]

Dharma used submarines to ferry people to and from the Island. Submarines don’t have windows. They navigate using SONAR (sound waves in the water). The purpose of the Looking Glass was likely to act as a sonar beacon and aid in the submarines’ approach to the Island. That’s why it was underwater.

Why did they need such a massive station to do such a simple task? Well, it’s just cooler that way.;)

Fine, trash my conspiracy theory all to heck. :D

What's the point of the sedatives, though?

[eepdoodle]

What's the point of the sedatives, though?

To take pictures of them in compromising positions to use as blackmail later if they ever left the Initiative.

*OR*

An elaborate practical joke involving bowls of warm water.

*OR*

For exploratory surgery related to organ harvesting.

*OR*

What Richard said - it’s a bumpy ride and just easier to have folks doped up and out of the way.

[sdorian]

hehehe :D

[Dr. Chameleon]

To take pictures of them in compromising positions to use as blackmail later if they ever left the Initiative.

*OR*

An elaborate practical joke involving bowls of warm water.

*OR*

For exploratory surgery related to organ harvesting.


Looking forward to those scenes on the S6 bonus features.

[Jacob'sWiseOldMother]

Fine, trash my conspiracy theory all to heck. :D

What's the point of the sedatives, though?

I actually think that the "Looking Glass" is a connecting point between the island and the outside world. Sort of a wormhole that takes them from one place to another.

There were a few clues in "One of Us" about the travel to the island. Rachel tells Richard to bring Juliet back in one piece when she eventually returns. Richard also mentions to Juliet that "time flies" while you're there at this place. Finally, she is given a sedative because she will want to be asleep for the trip. Ethan says, "It's kind of intense." Why would a normal submarine ride be intense?

Then when Juliet arrives at the island, she is strapped down to a bunk and is very hoarse. I always wondered what the red light meant in the sub but it may have to do with the wavelength of light. The red spectrum is the longest and they bend the least. My theory is that she lost her voice due to the fact that her vocals cords were stretched out in the journey and her body was to. That goes back to Rachel's comment. John also lost his voice after the implosion at the Swan.

Large groups of people aren't actually traveling a huge distance in this submarine but are "transported" to the real world. I know this sounds a lot like Star Trek...StarGate...stuff but that's the idea I got from all of this dialogue.

[sdorian]

I made the connection too that Juliet and John were hoarse, so that maybe sub traveling is like the hatch exploding... time travel happens too with electromagnetic explosions. We didn't get anything like that with the freighter, though there was time fluctuation and craziness.

[callmejer]

Rewatching this episode got me thinking that there may be more to the Cassidy character than meets the eye. I can't find any hard evidence of it, but I think it's conceivable that she was working with Ben's crew (or someone else) the whole time. Her actions throughout the show have had a big impact on both Sawyer and Kate, possibly pushing them more toward the chain of events that led them to the Island (or even back to the Island, in Kate's case). We've seen other characters (Jacob, Eloise, etc.) who have influenced people in this way, so maybe she is doing the same?

She took Kate's revelation about the Island pretty easily, and she was awful quick to figure out that Aaron was not Kate's. Like I said, I can't find any real evidence that this is the case, or that her actions have that kind of premeditation behind them, so maybe I'm just grasping at straws here. Anyone have any thoughts?

[Jacob'sWiseOldMother]

Even though this episode was written by Damon and Carlton, I thought it was only okay. There were discrepancies in the story line such as Kate visiting Cassidy soon after the 06 returned. In "Something Nice Back Home", we see Kate supposedly going on a secret mission for Sawyer long after they have returned and we see Aaron walking and talking by now. Also early in the episode, we hear Juliet confirm to Sawyer that the doctor is at the Looking Glass and won't be back until Friday. Later, she tells Kate the submarine isn't available because it's gone and won't be back for a couple of months. :confused: Now, maybe that doctor can put on some scuba gear to get back to the island but that doesn't make sense to me! :rolleyes: I just feel that this episode was a quick explanation why Kate did what she did but imo, it wasn't all that great.

They try to soften up the character of Roger and show that he really does love Ben but for me it doesn't play well. If we are to believe that this really happened and young Ben was shot, I would think that Roger would have changed his ways from his reaction in the episode. But in the final scene of Ben and his father before Ben kills him, we hear the same, old Roger who never changed and still treats Ben exactly the same. Of course, we don't get to see what happened after young Ben finally returns after his healing but this again doesn't make sense to me.

I like Cassidy. She tells it the way she sees it. I kind of got this scene better after the re-watch. Some of what Cassidy says about Sawyer is definitely true but I don't think she completely understood him. I think that one of the reasons that Sawyer didn't accept Clementine completely is that he was more afraid of not being a good father to her. He didn't have the confidence to do something like this in his life at that time. He wasn't the man he became back in 1977. So, he gave his money to her in compensation for not being the father he should/could have been.

I love Hurley and Miles! They really made this episode enjoyable with their banter about time travel. Jack is the one who takes this all in and makes his decision to not help young Ben. He is completely resigned to whatever happened, happened until at least he meets up with Daniel later on! I like the speech he gave Kate in the kitchen. He says, "....maybe I was wrong and that the island just wants to fix things itself. That maybe I was just getting in the way." This sounds to me like the battle between free will (Jack trying to fix things his way) and fate (the island is really doing the fixing all along).

Kate doesn't listen to Jack though and she takes matters into her own hands as usual. She was a mother for a short time in her life but that has made a huge impact on her and the fact that she sees Roger is really upset over Ben. Kate wants to save Roger from the grief that she too felt as she finally leaves Aaron for the last time. Her pain is still fresh and this is her way to "fix" things at least for Roger and Ben.

Juliet seems to know much more about what is possible with the hostiles/Others. Does she base this on the fact that Rachel was supposedly cured by Jacob? I always questioned that and figured this was a con by Ben to make Juliet believe that her sister had cancer again and this healing by Jacob would keep her from wanting to leave Ben. Who knows? Maybe we will learn more in season 6...finally.

This time we get Juliet giving Kate the head start to take Ben while in an earlier episode, it was Kate giving Sun and Jin a head start to leave the beach as Juliet protested! ;)

The scene in the grocery store was a definite sign from the island/Jacob? It is pushing Kate to accept those feelings she is having that she refuses to believe. I have children and have had that experience, so I know exactly what Kate was feeling at that moment. It is a very scary thing! Then they give us a Claire look a like and that seals the deal for Kate. She knows what she must do before Cassidy ever tells her the truth one more time. I also get the reason that Kate needed Aaron to "heal" much better this time around. I don't think that Carole understands that but I felt that scene with Kate and her was way too rushed for my taste. Out of the blue comes Kate and hands over Aaron in a matter of minutes! It was nice to see that Kate wanted to correct the wrongs by going back for Claire but I really felt for Carole and especially little Aaron! The scene of Kate leaving Aaron was very touching but I could only think about how little Aaron would feel later on. :(

It was interesting that Ben tells Kate that he feels bad for taking Rogers keys and we see the innocence of Ben still at this point before Richard takes him. Sawyer shows up because he too has left behind a child he never knew and realizes the mistake he made. Helping young Ben is his only way to fix that guilt. Sawyer tells Kate that he is doing this for "her" (Clementine or Juliet or both??) because I think Juliet is the main reason that Sawyer has become who he is through her love.

Juliet really gives it to Jack and I think he deserved it at this point. She tells him he better figure out what he is suppose to be doing here and I assume this is a lead in to setting off the hydrogen bomb. Jack has a mission that he is yet to discover but will it be successful or not??

The best line was from Sawyer..."Where the hell did you come from?" :D Richard shows up out of the jungle acting like he knows James well. Did he keep tabs on James after their conversation back in 1974? We learn that Ben will lose some/all?? of his memories up to this point in his life and his innocence will be gone. "He will always be one of us." I think that "one of us" means that he would be "saved" by Jacob. If that is true then, John would certainly be "one of us" by the fact that Jacob saved him after his deadly fall from Cooper. We see Richard disappear into the wall that surrounds the area of the Temple where I believe that Montand and his crew were at when they went down into the BSM hole.

Loved the ending with the new, creepy acting John!! "Hello Ben, welcome back to the land of the living." Second best line!! :eek: This John is certainly not part of that group for sure!!

[imbeanie]

My take on what Kate meant when she said they brought Sayid back to the island was that, in following Eloise/Ben's direction that everyone had to come back, by voluntarily returning (Kate, Jack, Sun, etc), they somehow caused Sayid to come back.
(And what a testament to the intricacy of this show that when I post to the "Dancing With the Stars" site, I don't have to use nearly so many commas, semi-colons and parentheses.) ;-)

[Dr. Chameleon]

I actually think that the "Looking Glass" is a connecting point between the island and the outside world. Sort of a wormhole that takes them from one place to another.

There were a few clues in "One of Us" about the travel to the island. Rachel tells Richard to bring Juliet back in one piece when she eventually returns. Richard also mentions to Juliet that "time flies" while you're there at this place. Finally, she is given a sedative because she will want to be asleep for the trip. Ethan says, "It's kind of intense." Why would a normal submarine ride be intense?

Then when Juliet arrives at the island, she is strapped down to a bunk and is very hoarse. I always wondered what the red light meant in the sub but it may have to do with the wavelength of light. The red spectrum is the longest and they bend the least. My theory is that she lost her voice due to the fact that her vocals cords were stretched out in the journey and her body was to. That goes back to Rachel's comment. John also lost his voice after the implosion at the Swan.

Large groups of people aren't actually traveling a huge distance in this submarine but are "transported" to the real world. I know this sounds a lot like Star Trek...StarGate...stuff but that's the idea I got from all of this dialogue.

Despite the helpfully rational comments from eepdoodle, I'm still hanging on to this, too. Also, check out this from "The Incident":

CAPTAIN BIRD: [over loudspeaker] Welcome aboard, everyone. We will be doing some system checks offshore here before heading out into the open ocean and submerging to our operational running depth. You should be receiving your sedatives and then we will escort you to your sleeping berths.

[Mitch hands out small cups of sedative-laced orange juice to several passengers, who drink.]

CAPTAIN BIRD: [cont'd] Have a nice rest, and we'll see you on the other side.

"The other side?" Seems like more than just a cutsey phrase. Sawyer says he's going to take his chances "in the real world" right after this. The island moves through space and time and has a bubble protecting it from the real world. Maybe the island is a pocket of another world intersecting with ours. Maybe it's the entrance to "the underworld." Maybe we'll find out later this spring?

[Bug-Eyed Enigma]

There were discrepancies in the story line such as Kate visiting Cassidy soon after the 06 returned. In "Something Nice Back Home", we see Kate supposedly going on a secret mission for Sawyer long after they have returned and we see Aaron walking and talking by now.

When Kate goes to see Cassidy just before returning to the island on Ajira 316, Clementine greets her cheerfully as 'Aunt Kate', which suggests that Kate kept in semi-regular contact over the 3 years she was back, all the while keeping this from Jack.

Therefore, the 'he wouldn't want me to' scene when Jack questions her about who she was on the phone to doesn't seem like a discrepancy to me. It was probably just one of many friendly meetings Kate and Cassidy had. Kate being Kate had to be all secretive about it, thus feeding Jack's paranoia :)



I can just picture them now, sitting on the couch with mugs of coffee, chatting about being mums, comparing sexual experiences with Sawyer, laughing about his technique etc...;)

[Hopelessly Lost]

I also took it that Kate visited Cassidy often. It wasn't just a one time thing. She never shared w/Jack about Sawyer having a daughter, so he didn't know where she was going each time.
It was funny to hear Hurley & Miles trying to figure out the time travel thing like we are.
I think they sedate the people on the sub b/c something happens as they pass into the island "bubble". They don't want to freak the people out.
Even if Jack fixed little Ben, I believe Ben would still want to go w/the Others. He would still do the purge & so on. BUT he would remember Sayid shot him.