Mr Eko and Mr X

[Richard Hedges]

I forgot what episode it was, but it was in series 2 or 3, and Mr Eko's brother (Mr X in disguise) wanted Mr Eko to ask God for forgiveness.

Because Mr Eko didn't think he had to, Mr X killed him, but why?

[Ambient Virus]

You can think of Mr X/the Smoke Monster as a judge of sorts. If Eko had asked for forgiveness then Mr X would have spared him. But instead Eko asked for no forgiveness, so Mr X made him pay for the lives he took throughout his life.

[Richard Hedges]

So, is Mr X really a bad guy? I mean yeah he's going about it probably the wrong way because he's taking lives. But, then now I think about it, he also took the pilot's life. Now.. If that is because the pilot wasn't supposed to be there, neither was anyone else, at least a few more people, so why did the smoke not kill them?

Also, coming back to the judging. I sometimes believe Charlie died because he went back to his drugs, he didn't start using again, but he did keep them. However, he then threw them away. I think it's probably not mere coincidence that Desmond had his power to see when Charlie woul die, I think Jacob gave him that power to try and save Charlie from the death that the Island, or Mr X was going to give him for some unknown reason.

If the reason was the drugs, then why did Charlie die, as Charlie stopped the drugs. It could also be that he worked alongside Eko, thus after Eko died Charlie died.

Any one have any input to this?

[ledzeppelin489]

I think Mr. X killed Mr. Eko so that Locke would see his jesus stick that read "Lift up your eyes and look north" which then led him to the flame station which caused the station to blow up, forcing Charlie to find a means of communicating the outside world which cause him to die, hey, maybe it had something to do with charlie's death? maybe if he lived he and claire would have left the island, or maybe, just charlie with aaron and they would have lived happily...idk, I think everything Mr. X does, he does so for a reason, cause and effect. closing arguments: I think Mr. Eko's death was not justified, Mr. X didn't care about him repenting for his sins, he was going to kill him anyway, it was just great how the writers showed him express his grief and solace, was it all for nothing? by the looks of it, it looks to be so

[efmbman]

I don't think Charlie was judged by the smoke monster. I can't see blaming all deaths on the smoke monster. I would be a stretch, for example, to blame Shannon's death on the smoke monster or even the island. Sayid pretty much summed it up when he was questioning "Henry Gale". Ana Lucia shot because her group was scared of The Others (Ben's group).

Exactly how many characters have come face-to-face with Smokie?

Locke
Ben
Juliet
Kate
Eko

Any more?

[Lost Lost Lost Lost]

I don't think Charlie was judged by the smoke monster. I can't see blaming all deaths on the smoke monster. I would be a stretch, for example, to blame Shannon's death on the smoke monster or even the island. Sayid pretty much summed it up when he was questioning "Henry Gale". Ana Lucia shot because her group was scared of The Others (Ben's group).

Exactly how many characters have come face-to-face with Smokie?

Locke
Ben
Juliet
Kate
Eko

Any more?

Everybody around here always says the medusa spiders were smokey, well Charlie had his encounters with the bees. I know its absurd.

[efmbman]

Everybody around here always says the medusa spiders were smokey, well Charlie had his encounters with the bees. I know its absurd.

Totally absurd lol. Why not include the boars with Sawyer?

[Richard Hedges]

Totally absurd lol. Why not include the boars with Sawyer?

One of the producers said on a podcast that the boars had nothing to do with Mr X, Smokey, or anything. It was really just a boar that hated Sawyer, or liked his stuff :p

[KennyJS]

I've seen people say that the producers confirmed that Smokey was the medusa spiders. That and the noise that's made right before Nikki is bitten.

I suppose if the producers said it, then that's the way it is... but I assumed that when Paulo killed the spider the pheromones caused all of the male spiders to seek a mate, ultimately causing Nikki to be bitten.

[Noman]

I forgot what episode it was, but it was in series 2 or 3, and Mr Eko's brother (Mr X in disguise) wanted Mr Eko to ask God for forgiveness.

Because Mr Eko didn't think he had to, Mr X killed him, but why?
I think Mr. X wanted to use Eko in his 'loophole' much in the same way he used Locke. When Smokey (who for the sake of this argument we'll assume is also Mr. X) scanned Eko the first time in 'The 23rd Psalm' he saw that Eko had a lot of guilt for what happened to his brother, and that he was also a 'Man of Faith' which are easier for Smokey to manipulate.

This is why X sends Locke the vision in 'Further Instructions' because at this point, he believes he is still vital to his plan, and needs Locke to save his life.

In 'The Cost of Living' though, Eko says he is not sorry for the things he has done, that he lived his life the best that he could. Smokey realized then, that he wouldn't be able to play off of Eko's guilt and get him to do his bidding, so he got rid of him.

[Citic]

I've seen people say that the producers confirmed that Smokey was the medusa spiders. That and the noise that's made right before Nikki is bitten.

I suppose if the producers said it, then that's the way it is... but I assumed that when Paulo killed the spider the pheromones caused all of the male spiders to seek a mate, ultimately causing Nikki to be bitten.

it's true.. the spider that bit nikki was the smoke monster.. i remember the podcast.. but just that spider.. not the other ones

[Richard Hedges]

I think Mr. X wanted to use Eko in his 'loophole' much in the same way he used Locke. When Smokey (who for the sake of this argument we'll assume is also Mr. X) scanned Eko the first time in 'The 23rd Psalm' he saw that Eko had a lot of guilt for what happened to his brother, and that he was also a 'Man of Faith' which are easier for Smokey to manipulate.

This is why X sends Locke the vision in 'Further Instructions' because at this point, he believes he is still vital to his plan, and needs Locke to save his life.

In 'The Cost of Living' though, Eko says he is not sorry for the things he has done, that he lived his life the best that he could. Smokey realized then, that he wouldn't be able to play off of Eko's guilt and get him to do his bidding, so he got rid of him.

Though I like your idea, he could have used Eko still, via being in the form of Eko's brother Eko done what (he thought to be) his brother told him to do.

[Dogma9]

Yeah my theory is that Eko was going to fill Ben's role.

Locke would be the body. While Mr. Eko would be the one to actually KILL Jacob.

I think Blackie ORIGINALLY wanted Ben to die(why he gave him the tumor, and asked Locke to save Jack from Ben before he did the surgery)

But when Mr. Eko proved he couldn't be manipulated.

Blackie turned to Ben, to be the one to kill Jacob.

[flush]

mr eko is awesome. ı like him. ı guess he is return.