Canon support or anything official

[Mr Godot]

Hi. I am posting because when I posted on the Lostpedia entry entitled "Jacob's Enemy" requesting evidence from the canon that it has been "confirmed" that the character "Jacob's Enemy" has taken the form of John Locke I was told that "There're now canon sources about this issue which i can't mention them here due to spoiler policy."

Can someone refer me to these sources? Only canon sources and not the interview with Terry OQuinn I found online.

Thanks.

[jamey]

unfortunately, all i've found is that o'quinn interview. hoping someone else sees this post who's got some info.

[Lindsaynickel]

It seems to me that if the source can't be cited due to spoiler policies, the information from said source shouldn't be put out there either. :confused:

[Toothless Gibbon]

Sure the whole loophole comment make it quite obvious?

[BeachBum96]

It seems to me that if the source can't be cited due to spoiler policies, the information from said source shouldn't be put out there either. :confused:

This is a spoiler forum section - fire away - all is legal here.

[Lindsaynickel]

This is a spoiler forum section - fire away - all is legal here.

Oh, sorry, I should have been more clear. I meant on the wiki section of the site. If the guy can't site his source, then I wouldn't think the info should be on the wiki.

[quadrophenic]

I would have imagined that the source would be the episode, where they made that ABUNDANTLY clear, lol.

[Mr Godot]

I made about 10-12 counter points to the idea that the assertion "The character known as "Jacob's Enemy" has taken the form of John Locke and accomplished the quest to find a loophole to kill Jacob, referenced in the flashback that took place at the arrival of a ship over two hundred years before."

You may look at the talk page on the lostpedia entry now renamed to "Jacob's Nemesis" to see those 11 points.

Here I will say this: If we go back to the season 2 finale the episode made it "abundantly clear" that Michael Emerson's character was not Henry Gale and he was in fact the Leader of the Others. That I can understand. This assertion is not based entirely on one episode though. If you look back at the episodes preceding it there is much evidence to support that fact, esp the episode Three Minutes. Also, if you go further back to the first apperance of "Henry Gale" you will see that from his first appearence everyone major character who met him didn't believe him.

If you go back to the Third Season Finale it was made "abundantly clear" that Jack's supposed flashback is actually a flashforward. Although they don't say "This is a flash forward" you can logically deduce that from the evidence given.

In this season not only would I say that it was NOT made at all clear but I would say there is too much evidence on the opposite side to make this conclusions anything more than a "guess" or "shot in the dark".

Again, to see my top ten counter points please go to the Jacob's Nemesis talk page.

I will cite one counter argument here:

The only thing that gives the final dialogue between Jacob and Locke that refers to a loophole any meaning is the flashback that we see at the start of the episode. The logic behind the connection is based on the writer's story telling device using a method of framing called "book ending", this is when the last scene and the first scene relate or reflect each other. This conclusion is "obvious" based on that logic.

If I were to re edit the whole story and place it in chronological order this logic falls apart. There is no longer any connection between the two moments. Also, I cite character and story logic. Again, see the talk page for more.

Thanks.

[Mr Godot]

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Jacob%27s_nemesis

[Starman]

Locke is no longer Locke, sorry. Not only was it made painstakingly clear in the episode, but the O'Quinn interview mentioned above had Terry saying that the John Locke we knew and loved is dead and gone for good, that he was a pawn :(

[Mr Godot]

I'm wiling to admit that Locke is dead, however, given this list of characters who appeared after death is here: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Life_and_death#Appearances_after_death

Is it therefore logical to assume that Titus character is connected to all of these appearences? If so, how powerful is this entity?

Other things that seem similar to me:

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Dave#On_the_Island
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Harper#Season_4_.28Day_94.29
Walt's "appearences" to Shannon/Sayid and Locke.