Possible Spoiler: Juliet and Jack

[Grizzlebees215]

Ok I just wanted to speculate: Why did Jack lie for Juliet? I mean lets run down the list: She is an other, she tried to be nice and bring him food, yet she remained secretive. She punched him out with one swing when he tried to escape. She knows she resembles his ex wife. She tried to contract him to kill Ben, and then tried to back track by saving kate and sawyer. She says "Hey" when they pass in the hall, like their friends, and guess what, all the manipulation worked and foolish Jack fell for her.

Does Anybody else have a problem with this whole deal?? I mean they end the last episode with Jack and Juliet sharing a loving glance, even though Ben, the most straightforward person in the show, told Jack that Juliet was playing him. I just don't understand why the writers are trying SO HARD to force this Jack falling for Juliet idea down our throats. Am I the only one who sees a serious problem with this? I mean when I saw Jack lie for Juliet, a little part of me died, I could not believe he did that.
Anyone???

[Brother]

I dont think it`s as deep as that. Jack has hopefully figured Juliet out and is gonna use her to his advantage. By playing the help me I`m innocent, I love you, I stuck up for you, I`m hungry(go make me a burger biatch) we can escape/take over the island together role. We know Jack can pull off some tricks of his own. Hopefully he`s just playing her and he`ll ditch her when he gets what he wants

[joemomma]

I know where you're coming from Juliette has become a hardened Shell of a woman. Even Sawyer knew she wouldn't hesitate to kill if pushed to do so.

What I think Jack senses, because he syas as much in the last scene with Juliette, is that the same motivation is driving them both - to get off the Island.

Jack wants to make sure Ben keeps his promise - to both of them.

We know from juliette's back story that she usewd to be a mousy, victim type with rebellious tendencies and superior intellect. Maybe Jack can sense that she is a good person.

I mean theres playing a game to convince someone you like them, and there is killing a cow for someone and taking them into your confidence. Maybe he knows she has a genuine discontent withj her life among the others. We see as much in episode 3-1. Plus, he lost the Jack/Sawyer battle as far as he knows. A brothers get lonely - being a responsible leader and all.

And Ben is not a stranger to lying his butt off when it suits his purpose.

My 2 two cents

[scocub]

I have a theory about why Jack lied. One, I think he could see the railroad job on Juliet coming and he didn't want any part of it. Two, if he lies and Juliet is executed, then he has a little less leverage to create chaos among the higher ranks of the others. I mean he's only going to be able to play the surgeon card for so long; Ben is eventually going to heal and get better. And worst case scenario would have been Juliet getting executed and Ben dying for his infection. Jack would have been totally f**ked then. please excuse my language

[Grizzlebees215]

i never thought of that, but I dont know, jack is really emotional. If I had to cast my die on him playing juliet, or her playing him, I'd bet on her. Jack has fallen far. I can remember when he was beating up ethan, and leading the lost tribe. Now he's holding hands on a yacht with a sneaky jezebel. I don't see him in control.

[scocub]

i never thought of that, but I dont know, jack is really emotional. If I had to cast my die on him playing juliet, or her playing him, I'd bet on her. Jack has fallen far. I can remember when he was beating up ethan, and leading the lost tribe. Now he's holding hands on a yacht with a sneaky jezebel. I don't see him in control.


Its funny, during the last scene of the episode I was waiting for Jack to have a Leo/Titanic moment. "I'm the King of the World!"

[Grizzlebees215]

I have a theory about why Jack lied. One, I think he could see the railroad job on Juliet coming and he didn't want any part of it. Two, if he lies and Juliet is executed, then he has a little less leverage to create chaos among the higher ranks of the others. I mean he's only going to be able to play the surgeon card for so long; Ben is eventually going to heal and get better. And worst case scenario would have been Juliet getting executed and Ben dying for his infection. Jack would have been totally f**ked then. please excuse my language

You see, I never thought of it like that. I TRULY hope that Jack is in control, but for some strange reason, I feel that the writers wanted Jack to fall for Juliet the temptress, and his latest actions show that he is. Even Ben was surprised that their ply worked. Look at his face, listen to his dialogue. Dude I am analyzing a tv show. I NEED A LIFE!
Back on track, either you're right and Jack still has his cajones, or I'm write and the writers ruined an awesome character. I mean look at the scenes, It appears that he has fallen for Juliet, when he is looking in on her trial, and when he coats her back with aloe. He has fallen :(

[Grizzlebees215]

Its funny, during the last scene of the episode I was waiting for Jack to have a Leo/Titanic moment. "I'm the King of the World!"

haha dude do you have a team of writers that roll with you to and fro? Or are you just that funny???? :)

[scocub]

haha dude do you have a team of writers that roll with you to and fro? Or are you just that funny???? :)

I have a comedy "sweat" shop in my basement. A bunch of 12 year olds from impoverished nations help me punch up my posts for just cents a day.

and that's how I roll, bro-seph!

[Grizzlebees215]

well they're worth every cent :)

[JenE4]

They both are in similar situations: being held there against their will. She's already shown him some kindess--the only one who grills his cheese sandwich ;). And on a much bigger scale, he also knows that she killed Picket--one of "them"--to help HIS friends. She helped him, now he's helping her. And, as scocub said, they can definitely be allies against Ben and the gang. Also, she's been locked up with Ben and Tom and some other rather unattractive men for 3 years, 2 months, and 28(?) days and Jack just saw his crush "getting caught in a net" with Sawyer, so why would they not be developing a "thing" for each other. ;)

[Grizzlebees215]

well didn't they establish that ben and juliet had a thing, back in the day? I know in a tale of two cities, I got that impression. So she grilled his chesse, she is an other. to trust her or fall for her is a big no-no. I would think a freakin surgeon would be smarter than that.


on a side note, how does anyone move on from kate to juliet?? I mean seriously, if I had a mercedes benz, I could not start driving a ford escort that easily.

[calluke]

Hey Grizzle - i love how you tagged your thread with "possible spoiler" even though there isn't even a wiff a spoiler in the thread. Was that to please MSGV after his tyrade? :D

[Grizzlebees215]

YEP. Hey I don't want to get in trouble. hahahaha :)
P.S. the spoilers thread got closed. I was shocked! Man I just want things to be cool again.

[calluke]

i think its a great idea. ;) every thread should start that way - "possible spoiler". :cool: that way, hopefully tempers won't flare so much!

[Grizzlebees215]

no serious, if it's a choice between spoiling lives, or tagging every thread as possible spoiler, I'll take my chances and err on the side of safety. Blows though.

[Jackface]

It's called love, are you familiar with that concept?

Jack was 'betrayed' when he saw Kate humping Sawyer. He had it, up to that point he felt he had a shot with her [since they developed this highschool crush chemistry since episode 1], but then she blew it out of the water. then Juliet appeared isn't a Mercedes Benz, she is more like a Chevy [all-american, cute, but cheap], Juliet is way more classy than her.] and Jack thought "Hey, she's hot, she's smart, and she's not easy, plus, she makes me food and helped me and my friends, she's a keeper, so I won't let her be executed"

So, yeah, I do buy that love thing the writers are trying to "shove us in".

[calluke]

thank you jackface for getting us back on track!

i think the writers have done an amazing job with the addition of juliets character. Season 1 had us battling between siding with either locke or jack. Are you a man of faith or of science? With the addition of "henry gale" in season 2, the audience had to either trust him or not. You were either on one side or the "other". This season, it seems like you either trust juliet or not. Is she a captive like jack is, forced to do the things she does but secretly wants out? Is she brainwashed into doing the things she does? Or is she really on the same side as the "others"? Or are the "others" really "bad" afterall? Each week i seem to flip-flop. One moment i am convinced jack should trust her, and then "bam!" something happens to make me flip flop back again. All of us are put into jacks role. Would YOU trust juliet? Obviously mr. grizzle does not. But the writers are pure genius for adding that dimension in and i can't wait till we find out what "side" juliet is "really" on. (although that might not be until season 12 the rate things are going now!)

Either way, i think jack is playing with all of them and in the end, will do what is right for himself and his true friends, the other losties.

[Grizzlebees215]

JF, do you work for mercedes benz or what? I don't buy it, with pesos, pounds or marks. Come on, Jack wasn't over his dumb wife. Kate was cute but look how long it took him to make a move, wait he didn't make a move, when Kate kissed him he punked out. I mean Sawyer and Kate were vibing for a long time, her reading him magazines, him knowing that even though he conned the guns, she didnt hate him. Jack was NEVER really in the running for Kate. But Juliet, no matter what her outcast life may seem, how could he forget how she played him initially? Seriously JF, imagine you had a burlap sack dropped on your skull, you're drugged and shipped to a zoo island, some strange girl starts trying to "be your friend" yet she wont say *where you are, why you're there, when you can leave, or who she is* but she can bring you burgers. WHY WOULD YOU EVER WANT TO LOVE HER????! Oh I forgot, she knocked you unconscious with one punch when you tried to escape. You explain to me what can negate ALL those things, and I'll believe Jack and Juliet, as lovers.

[calluke]

JF, do you work for mercedes benz or what? I don't buy it, with pesos, pounds or marks. Come on, Jack wasn't over his dumb wife. Kate was cute but look how long it took him to make a move, wait he didn't make a move, when Kate kissed him he punked out. I mean Sawyer and Kate were vibing for a long time, her reading him magazines, him knowing that even though he conned the guns, she didnt hate him. Jack was NEVER really in the running for Kate. But Juliet, no matter what her outcast life may seem, how could he forget how she played him initially? Seriously JF, imagine you had a burlap sack dropped on your skull, you're drugged and shipped to a zoo island, some strange girl starts trying to "be your friend" yet she wont say *where you are, why you're there, when you can leave, or who she is* but she can bring you burgers. WHY WOULD YOU EVER WANT TO LOVE HER????! Oh I forgot, she knocked you unconscious with one punch when you tried to escape. You explain to me what can negate ALL those things, and I'll believe Jack and Juliet, as lovers.

isn't it remotely possible that she is forced to do those things and he senses a lost little girl who needs someone to fix things? i don't necessarily buy it, but its possible. And as i said earlier - i think jack is playing all of them. I think he lied about her just to spice things up a bit. if he really loved her, why would he have told tom that she wanted ben dead? And its not like they've been lip-locked every other scene with him mouthing the words "i'll always love you" when he saw her on trial. you are assuming he loves her, (possible) but as i said earlier - i think their relationship, however you explain it, is a great addition to the series.

[Grizzlebees215]

well when he told tom that stuff, he meant it. But then he saw juliet in a *vulnerable* state. You dont think that casual "Hey" as they passed each other wasn't planned? Jack was skeptical for so long, even when she asked him to check ben's infected stitches, HOWEVER, as soon as he found out she was on a death trial, he hop, skipped and jumped to that operating room. If Jack is the mack you say he is and he's playing them all, I will do 9 backflips on the wednesday we learn that, but I think he's fallen for her. That tender aloe scene on her "mark" was not faked. Jack fell for Juliet. And I am sad about that.

[Jackface]

I'm sorry if I upset anyone with this, but I'm going to pull a Puddin Tame on this one, just because of Grizz :)

JF, do you work for mercedes benz or what? I don't buy it, with pesos, pounds or marks.Nope, I don't work at Mercedes-Benz, but you compared Kate to one, as she was as high-league as those fine cars

Come on, Jack wasn't over his dumb wife.Uh... yes he was! The moment you wonder about your ex's happiness means exactly that you're OVER her, you don't care if she's with another man anymore, as long as she's happy. He wasn't obsessed to know the dude's name anymore, he was OVER it.

wait he didn't make a move, when Kate kissed him he punked out.Did he? Or did KATE punk out? I remember Kate fleeing after the kiss.

I mean Sawyer and Kate were vibing for a long time, her reading him magazines, him knowing that even though he conned the guns, she didnt hate him. Jack was NEVER really in the running for Kate.KATE AND JACK NEVER VIBED? Dude! The stitching scene on Pilot was the beginning of their vibing! The golf challenge, remember that scene about accuracy? Kate and Jack were blushing as they kiddingly trash-talked each other! That was so cute to watch! Jack was definitely in the running for Kate, and even before Sawyer got in the race.

Seriously JF, imagine you had a burlap sack dropped on your skull, you're drugged and shipped to a zoo island, some strange girl starts trying to "be your friend" yet she wont say *where you are, why you're there, when you can leave, or who she is*I'd understand where she was coming from, because she was doing her job, she was being pushed around by Ben and company and practically keeping her a a slave worker, being their little work dog, if she didn't tell me anything, it was because she couldn't.

Oh I forgot, she knocked you unconscious with one punch when you tried to escape.
Again, she was doing her job... remember that "I" threatened her with a broken plate against her neck and swore to kill her before she punched me... I'd have it coming, it was fair game.

[calluke]

well when he told tom that stuff, he meant it. But then he saw juliet in a *vulnerable* state. You dont think that casual "Hey" as they passed each other wasn't planned? Jack was skeptical for so long, even when she asked him to check ben's infected stitches, HOWEVER, as soon as he found out she was on a death trial, he hop, skipped and jumped to that operating room. If Jack is the mack you say he is and he's playing them all, I will do 9 backflips on the wednesday we learn that, but I think he's fallen for her. That tender aloe scene on her "mark" was not faked. Jack fell for Juliet. And I am sad about that.

as jack alluded to juliet, i think jack trusts juliet more than any of the "others" and feels that she is his best hope for getting off the island. yes, the aloe scene was a little cheezy but he IS a doctor! jack also knows that juliet shot and murdered one of the guys on "her team" (pickett) so that his friends (kate and sawyer) could get free. I saw jack returning one favor for another. Until i see them make-out or hold hands or he tells her he loves her, i just won't buy into him falling in love with juliet. Not yet anyways ;)

[Caladan]

well didn't they establish that ben and juliet had a thing, back in the day? I know in a tale of two cities, I got that impression. So she grilled his chesse, she is an other.

That's the impression I got. By the way, "She grilled his cheese" sounds like a dirty euphemism

Sawyer: Oh yeah, when Kate thought I was gonna to die, she grilled my cheese, if you know what I'm sayin' :D

On Jack & Juliet, I hope that either Jack is playing them all, or if he really has fallen for Juliet, that she's not playing HIM. But I wouldn't bet on it.

[Cerberus]

He doesn't love her, it's all part of his plan to outsmart the Others and escape back to Lostie beach. I think he'd take Juliet with him during that escape though... I think he does trust her too much.

If he escaped without her, deceiving her till the end, then Jack gets ultimate respect. I do hope that's what happens. They all think they know Jack, but.... they don't know Jack!

[calluke]

they don't know Jack!

sounds like a great title for an upcoming episode!

[JenE4]

well didn't they establish that ben and juliet had a thing, back in the day? I know in a tale of two cities, I got that impression. So she grilled his chesse, she is an other.

No. PURE speculation amongst the theory makers. I don't believe it at all. (At least once per day I'm going to say I think Tom and Ben are the more likely couple--but that's PURE speculation, too.:D)

isn't it remotely possible that she is forced to do those things and he senses a lost little girl who needs someone to fix things?

Good call. Yes, codependent Jack trying to fix everyone. I swear, he only hooked up with Achurra (spelling :confused:) because he thought she was a hooker and could "save" her! Achurra, you don't have to turn on the red light....! ;)

[calluke]

Good call. Yes, codependent Jack trying to fix everyone. I swear, he only hooked up with Achurra (spelling :confused:) because he thought she was a hooker and could "save" her! Achurra, you don't have to turn on the red light....! ;)


Lol!

in all seriousness, i think he was in phuckett because HE was the one needing some fixin.

[Caladan]

No. PURE speculation amongst the theory makers. I don't believe it at all. (At least once per day I'm going to say I think Tom and Ben are the more likely couple--but that's PURE speculation, too.:D)

LOL, I speculated about that in another thread somewhere. Tom says Kate isn't his type, and the way he's holding the umbrella for Ben? Hmm...;)

[Grizzlebees215]

J feezy, you're really gonna make me write an essay? ok here it goes:


JF, do you work for mercedes benz or what? I don't buy it, with pesos, pounds or marks.
Nope, I don't work at Mercedes-Benz, but you compared Kate to one, as she was as high-league as those fine cars

Yes, I compared Kate to a Benz, because she is(in my own personal opinion) the "Cadillac of women, well the European Cadillac that is :)


Come on, Jack wasn't over his dumb wife.
Uh... yes he was! The moment you wonder about your ex's happiness means exactly that you're OVER her, you don't care if she's with another man anymore, as long as she's happy. He wasn't obsessed to know the dude's name anymore, he was OVER it.

What exactly did it take for him to reach that point? Massive manipulation by JULIET and company. Only after an extensive Jack file was he able to feign acceptance. Thats the key, he feigned it. I mean when you're in captivity, you say what they want to hear, no?


wait he didn't make a move, when Kate kissed him he punked out.
Did he? Or did KATE punk out? I remember Kate fleeing after the kiss.

Kate kissed him, and he pulled away, he didn't pursue. He didn't wrap his arms around her, he didn't caress her face, he accepted the kiss with shock, and she felt that. which is why she pulled away, looked at his face, felt embarrassed and ran away. If you kissed someone and they failed to reciprocate, wouldn't you fell embarrassed?


I mean Sawyer and Kate were vibing for a long time, her reading him magazines, him knowing that even though he conned the guns, she didnt hate him. Jack was NEVER really in the running for Kate.
KATE AND JACK NEVER VIBED? Dude! The stitching scene on Pilot was the beginning of their vibing! The golf challenge, remember that scene about accuracy? Kate and Jack were blushing as they kiddingly trash-talked each other! That was so cute to watch! Jack was definitely in the running for Kate, and even before Sawyer got in the race.

oh i agree Jack was in the running as coolest best friend ever. He never made a move, he never expressed desire, he always stayed 2 feet away. Of all the girls I know, that's exactly what they DON'T want. I agree their banter was cute, but without blatant purpose, the girl will never know what you want.


Seriously JF, imagine you had a burlap sack dropped on your skull, you're drugged and shipped to a zoo island, some strange girl starts trying to "be your friend" yet she wont say *where you are, why you're there, when you can leave, or who she is*
I'd understand where she was coming from, because she was doing her job, she was being pushed around by Ben and company and practically keeping her as a slave worker, being their little work dog, if she didn't tell me anything, it was because she couldn't.

If you could accept that she was doing her job, how could you interpret her work as compassion? How could you fall in love with her if you knew everything she did was through coercion? How could you 100% know that even her vulnerabilities weren't coerced?


Oh I forgot, she knocked you unconscious with one punch when you tried to escape.
Again, she was doing her job... remember that "I" threatened her with a broken plate against her neck and swore to kill her before she punched me... I'd have it coming, it was fair game.

Maybe it's just me, but if a girl knocked me out single handedly, I wouldn't be trying to get in her pants, I'd be looking for the sweetest sucker punch I could find, and maybe AFTER she woke up, then we could talk about a date :)

[calluke]

LOL, I speculated about that in another thread somewhere. Tom says Kate isn't his type, and the way he's holding the umbrella for Ben? Hmm...;)

what pointed me to me to that speculation was that scene with him smooching with ben after the surgery. ;)

[Grizzlebees215]

dude you just made me laugh out loud. hahahah

[calluke]

Sawyer: Oh yeah, when Kate thought I was gonna to die, she grilled my cheese, if you know what I'm sayin' :D

Tom: Oh yea, when I thought ben was going to die, I grilled his cheese, if you know what I'm sayin' :eek:

[Caladan]

what pointed me to me to that speculation was that scene with him smooching with ben after the surgery. ;)

Was there tongue? Because it there was no tongue, it may have been a manly kiss.

[calluke]

Was there tongue? Because it there was no tongue, it may have been a manly kiss.

oh man, what have i started! :D

[Grizzlebees215]

dude I totally just spent like 10 minutes refuting jackfaces refutations of my initial post. Nobody gonna comment? No biggie, that post about Tom and Ben made my day(does that sound gay?)

[calluke]

dude I totally just spent like 10 minutes refuting jackfaces refutations of my initial post. Nobody gonna comment?

if you spent 10 min's writing it, it will probably take at least 10 min's to read it, plus another 10 to respond! so i would just chill! :D
plus, there is nothing more to say. you are wrong. :D :D


No biggie, that post about Tom and Ben made my day(does that sound gay?)

and you were a poet, and you (probably) didn't even know it.;)

[Grizzlebees215]

hahah dude I just laughed in like for different modes. hahah yes I knew I was a poet, and no I am not wrong, you'll see. peruse the data, it's all there.

[calluke]

J feezy, you're really gonna make me write an essay? ok here it goes:


Nope, I don't work at Mercedes-Benz, but you compared Kate to one, as she was as high-league as those fine cars

Yes, I compared Kate to a Benz, because she is(in my own personal opinion) the "Cadillac of women, well the European Cadillac that is :)


Uh... yes he was! The moment you wonder about your ex's happiness means exactly that you're OVER her, you don't care if she's with another man anymore, as long as she's happy. He wasn't obsessed to know the dude's name anymore, he was OVER it.

What exactly did it take for him to reach that point? Massive manipulation by JULIET and company. Only after an extensive Jack file was he able to feign acceptance. Thats the key, he feigned it. I mean when you're in captivity, you say what they want to hear, no?


Did he? Or did KATE punk out? I remember Kate fleeing after the kiss.

Kate kissed him, and he pulled away, he didn't pursue. He didn't wrap his arms around her, he didn't caress her face, he accepted the kiss with shock, and she felt that. which is why she pulled away, looked at his face, felt embarrassed and ran away. If you kissed someone and they failed to reciprocate, wouldn't you fell embarrassed?


KATE AND JACK NEVER VIBED? Dude! The stitching scene on Pilot was the beginning of their vibing! The golf challenge, remember that scene about accuracy? Kate and Jack were blushing as they kiddingly trash-talked each other! That was so cute to watch! Jack was definitely in the running for Kate, and even before Sawyer got in the race.

oh i agree Jack was in the running as coolest best friend ever. He never made a move, he never expressed desire, he always stayed 2 feet away. Of all the girls I know, that's exactly what they DON'T want. I agree their banter was cute, but without blatant purpose, the girl will never know what you want.


I'd understand where she was coming from, because she was doing her job, she was being pushed around by Ben and company and practically keeping her as a slave worker, being their little work dog, if she didn't tell me anything, it was because she couldn't.

If you could accept that she was doing her job, how could you interpret her work as compassion? How could you fall in love with her if you knew everything she did was through coercion? How could you 100% know that even her vulnerabilities weren't coerced?


Again, she was doing her job... remember that "I" threatened her with a broken plate against her neck and swore to kill her before she punched me... I'd have it coming, it was fair game.

Maybe it's just me, but if a girl knocked me out single handedly, I wouldn't be trying to get in her pants, I'd be looking for the sweetest sucker punch I could find, and maybe AFTER she woke up, then we could talk about a date :)

I "perused the data", and i still say you are wrong. :D

[Grizzlebees215]

oh that's harsh. no proof. just 7 little words. ouch :)

[calluke]

oh that's harsh. no proof. just 7 little words. ouch :)

just think of it this way. if you end up being right, you can really shove it in my face!!!! :D

[Grizzlebees215]

hahah that's the old me. Now I'd just let my righteousness quietly sink in *As I surveyed lostpedia as part of my new found domain* :D

[calluke]

hahah that's the old me. Now I'd just let my righteousness quietly sink in *As I surveyed lostpedia as part of my new found domain* :D


i was being serious, not bringing up old posts - i'll give you all the authority you want to rub it in if jack falls for juliet and she ends up using him in the end. you can even brag through email so the mods won't delete your post. :D (no offense to the mods who are just doing their job! hehe)

[The Seer]

Juliet has become, "needy" and Jack is attracted to this. He sees that she appears to be in dire straits and he wants to fix it for her. It's strange that he keeps getting this kind of attraction for women. Sara, Kate, and now Juliet.

Achara (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Achara), wasn't needy and if you look at the Photo Caps over at Lost Media you'll see a love look in his eyes for her. As creepy as the little wood nymph is; jeevis I think Jack loved her!

[calluke]

As creepy as the little wood nymph is; jeevis I think Jack loved her!

i would call it lust.

[scocub]

Can I have the Cliff Notes to this thread? There is a lot of information going on here :)

[JenE4]

Juliet has become, "needy" and Jack is attracted to this. He sees that she appears to be in dire straits and he wants to fix it for her. It's strange that he keeps getting this kind of attraction for women. Sara, Kate, and now Juliet.

Not "strange"--inner child issues! One person's dysfunctional need is attracted to and fulfiilled by another person's dysfunctional need. I realize he's a fictional character ;), but he would continue to fall for the same "type" of person until he realizes this is his issue and works on it. (Speaking from experience here. ;) )

[The Seer]

Not "strange"--inner child issues! One person's dysfunctional need is attracted to and fulfiilled by another person's dysfunctional need. I realize he's a fictional character ;), but he would continue to fall for the same "type" of person until he realizes this is his issue and works on it. (Speaking from experience here. ;) )

Duly noted and throughly agree. We can't change what we don't know. I think Jack and Juliet will get close and when little Freckles comes to rescue him; he'll already be involved with Jules. Bet Sawyer gets a good giggle out of it too. I know I'm going to.

[KittyLili114]

I think Jack and Juliet will get close and when little Freckles comes to rescue him; he'll already be involved with Jules. Bet Sawyer gets a good giggle out of it too. I know I'm going to.

Hahaha. Yes! One can only hope. :p

[Waterlily]

Not "strange"--inner child issues! One person's dysfunctional need is attracted to and fulfiilled by another person's dysfunctional need. I realize he's a fictional character ;), but he would continue to fall for the same "type" of person until he realizes this is his issue and works on it. (Speaking from experience here. ;) )
Exactly. That's what I thought this week's flashbacks were all about!

Jack falls for Achara (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Achara), has her go against her people, and then WHAM! gets the snot kicked out of him.

To reflect the storyline on the island...Jack falls for Juliet, has her go against her people, and then WHAM....well, you can fill in the blank here. ;)

[KittyLili114]

Jack falls for Juliet, has her go against her people, and then WHAM....well, you can fill in the blank here. ;)

They end up being Adam and Eve? ;)

[No, I don't think that. My money is on Karen and Gerald being A&E. :p]

[kymberly316]

Exactly. That's what I thought this week's flashbacks were all about!

Jack falls for Achara (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Achara), has her go against her people, and then WHAM! gets the snot kicked out of him.

To reflect the show...Jack falls for Juliet, has her go against her people, and then WHAM....well, you can fill in the blank here. ;)

He grills her cheese? Or maybe they get caught in a net....

[Grizzlebees215]

He grills her cheese? Or maybe they get caught in a net....

I sure hope not.

[rhino_pack]

He grills her cheese? Or maybe they get caught in a net....

when Tom and Ben get "caught in a net" can we say they were playing "pin the beard on Mr. Friendly"?

You know, if that ever happens.

[Grizzlebees215]

hahah man we are a sick bunch indeed. Although, it is understandable that tom may be gay, I mean, Kate's in a fricken shower and he says, "You're not my type." HA! No matter who you are or what you say, if you're a guy, you're sneakin a look. even inadvertantly or subconsciously. For me it'd be on purpose though :)

[rhino_pack]

hahah man we are a sick bunch indeed. Although, it is understandable that tom may be gay, I mean, Kate's in a fricken shower and he says, "You're not my type." HA! No matter who you are or what you say, if you're a guy, you're sneakin a look. even inadvertantly or subconsciously. For me it'd be on purpose though :)

I mean the guy wears costumes and beards, maybe he's an actor. Maybe he was ACTING like Kate was not his type so he could sneak a peek? But if he is an actor, than he's probably gay anyway. We should have a poll on who is the most likely character to be outed on Lost.

[Grizzlebees215]

my guess is Tom or Ben. Honestly, Ben as Henry Gale, I just got a gay vibe from him. I think it was the way he asked for some milk(btw one of the best episode endings EVER)

[rhino_pack]

my guess is Tom or Ben. Honestly, Ben as Henry Gale, I just got a gay vibe from him. I think it was the way he asked for some milk(btw one of the best episode endings EVER)

OH SNAP, maybe Ben crashed on the island in the hot air balloon with his man lover Henry Gale! A banana split with one scoop of vanilla and one scoop of chocolate.

[KittyLili114]

Maybe Tom just prefers blondes? :p

[rhino_pack]

Maybe Tom just prefers blondes? :p

That is definitely not a mitigating factor when it comes to seeing a woman naked. If you prefer blondes, naked is a plus, because it gives you something to look at other than the hair.

I can imagine a situation when Muslim man sees a woman out of their birka for the first time, and being like "ugh, a brunette, again?". Though I imagine if a woman was wearing a birka, her hair color would probably ranged from dark black to light black.

[KittyLili114]

That is definitely not a mitigating factor when it comes to seeing a woman naked.
Thank you for explaining to me the way a male's mind works. ;)

I'll change my speculation: maybe Tom likes girls who aren't murderers? :p

[Grizzlebees215]

hahah who'd she kill? Nobody, her childhood friend was shot by the freaking cops.

[unosiemprecontrola]

hahah who'd she kill? Nobody, her childhood friend was shot by the freaking cops.

she did kill her dad... gas leak in the house... with a lighter... so yeah i think she's a murderer... its okay though GB... it makes her seem way sexier...

[KittyLili114]

hahah who'd she kill? Nobody, her childhood friend was shot by the freaking cops.
Kate killed Wayne (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Wayne), remember? Or did you block that horrible thought about Kate from your mind. ;)

[Grizzlebees215]

oh I forgot about that
Duh!! Why's she on the run. I'm sorry, just seeing her on a motorcycle kinda took precedence over the big exploding house in the back ground ;)

[rhino_pack]

Thank you for explaining to me the way a male's mind works. ;)

I'll change my speculation: maybe Tom likes girls who aren't murderers? :p

You know, again, I have to say that being a murderer still wouldn't be a detractor from seeing her naked. It might even make me feel safer to see that she doesn't have any weapons on her (though Xenia Onatopp might have ruined that sense of security).

He either likey the guys or likey the chocolate. You can't tell me her and Bea Klugh didn't have a caustic married couple thing going on the dock in last season's finale.

[Grizzlebees215]

her eyes were amazingly freaky.

[KittyLili114]

Well, after seeing Tom holding that umbrella, I'm pretty sold on the fact that he is gay.
[Though I don't think him and Ben are a couple] I just like to look at both sides. ;)

[Grizzlebees215]

well if he is gay, kudos to him for battering down the stereotype of gayness
eg: When he yelled "light em up!" and made his whole "this is our island" speech, he seemed tough. Good for him.

[rhino_pack]

Now that I think about it, (since Wayne was mentioned) when Sawyer is sick and asks "Why did you kill me?" could he have been seeing a "flash" of when Kate kills him in the future? How could it have been Wayne possessing Sawyer?

[KittyLili114]

When he yelled "light em up!" and made his whole "this is our island" speech, he seemed tough.

Seemed tough? That was tough! I have many <4s for Tom! ;)

[Grizzlebees215]

i think kate was just on something. Everyone gets played by the island sooner or later ie: Jack seeing his dad, eko and his bro, locke and his boone dream and et cetera.

[rhino_pack]

well if he is gay, kudos to him for battering down the stereotype of gayness
eg: When he yelled "light em up!" and made his whole "this is our island" speech, he seemed tough. Good for him.

He'll go in the gay badass Hall of Fame with Willem Defoe's character in "Boondock Saints", at least a handful of characters from "Oz" and my neighbor Brian who is like a whole Home Depot team packed into one well groomed, nicely dressed box.

[Grizzlebees215]

Seemed tough? That was tough! I have many <4s for Tom! ;)

whats this <4s? i'm not net savvy.
He'll go in the gay badass Hall of Fame with Willem Defoe's character in "Boondock Saints", at least a handful of characters from "Oz" and my neighbor Brian who is like a whole Home Depot team packed into one well groomed, nicely dressed box.

hahah tough gay guys rule

[rhino_pack]

Seemed tough? That was tough! I have many <4s for Tom! ;)

what's the "<4" mean?

edit: guess I'm not the only one.

[KittyLili114]

A lot of people use <3 to symoblize a heart,
well I like to use <4 before not only does it mean that I heart them MORE than just "3",
but it is also one of the numbers. ;)

Annnnd because I'm a dork. :p

[Grizzlebees215]

i knew it was some super nerdy thing :) no I seriously thought about the <3 thing but I couldn't visualize a picture with the <4

[KittyLili114]

Yeah, it's not supposed to look like a heart. <15 :p

[JenE4]

when Tom and Ben get "caught in a net" can we say they were playing "pin the beard on Mr. Friendly"?

You know, if that ever happens.

ROTFL!! :D :D Oh, yeah! Those two are definitely playing "pin the beard on Mr. Friendly"! (And by "definitely" I mean "total speculation on my part." ;) )

[Caladan]

That is definitely not a mitigating factor when it comes to seeing a woman naked. If you prefer blondes, naked is a plus, because it gives you something to look at other than the hair.

Also if he prefers blonds, seeing her naked would give him the chance to check to see if she was a 'natural' blond. :D