Spoiler : New Podcast Is Up Feb 20th

[shamen]

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2007/02/official-lost-audio-podcast-feb-20th.html

[Jackface]

Good as ever, thanks Shamen ;)

[TheBlackSmoke]

Woo, some new tid-bits-

-No Danielle flashback, but she will appear in someone elses
-An episode will be called "The Man from Tallahasse" (I'm english, probably spelt the place wrong)
-Desmond DID time travel
-The photo may have something to do with Desmond travelling.

[BeachBum]

-No Danielle flashback, but she will appear in someone elses

I bet I can figure out whose. :)

[furyxstorm]

I bet I can figure out whose. :)
who? im guesing ben

[Jackface]

Technically they didn't confirm he traveled back [they never used such term], they said "Experience"
who? im guesing benBingo..... ;)

[all JACKed up]

who? im guesing ben

GBee's will be giddy!

[The Good Twin]

Oh oh oh. What is this promo with the "3 Mysteries". What are the 3 mysteries. :eek: . :confused: .

[Apollo Candy]

No Danielle centric? My dreams!!!! MY DREAMS ARE RUINED. =(

[all JACKed up]

"Rousseau knows more than she is letting on"

I knew it. :)

[Apollo Candy]

I love Rosseau. =]

[The Good Twin]

No Danielle centric? My dreams!!!! MY DREAMS ARE RUINED. =(

But didnt it say (I think I will put) *spoiler* there just wouldnt be one until Season 4 - so there will be one.

[Apollo Candy]

*Claps Loudly.*

[Phizzle]

I think it's important how they say Desmond was course corrected by the old lady, rather than "the universe". This could imply he was actually free to make his own mind up

[PseuMdoYnym]

who? im guesing ben

Alex's. that's my guess. <spoiler>If Daniel knows more than she's letting on, perhaps she has seen the Others and maybe she's seen Alex since she was taken</spoiler>. . .like in the same way Libby was in Hurley's flashback but unaware, maybe in Alex's flashback Rousseau is lurking in the shadows somewhere unbeknownst to Alex.

[Grizzlebees215]

I wonder why the heck Rousseau would be in a Ben flashback? Maybe cause that's her freaking bed buddy. Dude I so told you guys. Grizzle is 2 for 2, um who was backing the Desmond time travel truth? Me. ANd now this new Rousseau development, um me again. So who wants to join my fan club?? :p
And yes I am giddy :D

[Grizzlebees215]

no takers I see. I guess the truth hurts, no? :)

[all JACKed up]

COME ON PEOPLE. ME AND G WERE RIGHT
and you're not even going to debate it? Not even going to get mad that YOU WERE ALL WRONG?

[Grizzlebees215]

hahah yeah what she said! That's so funny that nobody has anything to say. Where'd everybody go???

[all JACKed up]

they are just mad at us. that is all.

[KittyLili114]

Replying In A Thread About a Spoiler: (http://forum.lostpedia.com/showthread.php?t=1905)

If you are posting a replying in a thread that is marked with a Spoiler
Then you do NOT have to use the invisible text.
You can post as you normally would.

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Just so you all know, you don't have to use spoiler text in this thread. :p

[all JACKed up]

Just so you all know, you don't have to use spoiler text in this thread. :p

unless its a secret.

And G, she's talkin to you ;)

[Grizzlebees215]

Replying In A Thread About a Spoiler: (http://forum.lostpedia.com/showthread.php?t=1905)

If you are posting a replying in a thread that is marked with a Spoiler
Then you do NOT have to use the invisible text.
You can post as you normally would.

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Just so you all know, you don't have to use spoiler text in this thread. :p

Oh hey thanks ML, I just wanted to make sure that nobody cried about being spoiled, I mean seriously, everything that I say comes true, so I mean, I basically have to hide EVERYTHING I say. Plus, I don't want my favorite mod berating me for spoiling newbies :)

[all JACKed up]

Oh hey thanks ML, I just wanted to make sure that nobody cried about being spoiled, I mean seriously, everything that I say comes true, so I mean, I basically have to hide EVERYTHING I say. Plus, I don't want my favorite mod berating me for spoiling newbies :)

KL is everyones favorite mod ;) hehe



OKAY SERIOUSLY where are all of the angry people that want to fight us?

[Grizzlebees215]

dude nobody is posting at all. WTF??? I'm really surprised at the lack of posting.

[KittyLili114]

I am on the phone.. otherwise I would be posting.
And... I can't believe you all are hijacking this thread.
Take it to a PM. :p

Rule 6) (http://forum.lostpedia.com/announcement.php?f=2) Please try to limit personal comments and conversations to private messages, especially in the Main Forum.

[Grizzlebees215]

but we're not hijacking this thread, we are inviting all those millions that said Desmond's journey was one of the mind, and not a true time escapade, to come on here and speak their mind, whether it be an apology for not believing, or an angry word at the arrogance of intelligence that we displayed in accurately predicting the true nature of last weeks episode. Now is that a hijack??? :) I swear I'll write speeches for politician's one day.

[KittyLili114]

Plus, I don't want my favorite mod berating me for spoiling newbies :)

Well, everyone is warned in the Forum R&R (http://forum.lostpedia.com/announcement.php?f=2):
If you wish to avoid spoilers, do not read posts with a spoiler title.
So if someone enters this thread, they should be prepared.

And, people will eventually come around to talk about it with you...
...just sit tight. :p

[Grizzlebees215]

as long as you're still around to link me up, I can wait. But I seriously think that everyone is scared. I mean when a bombshell drops, there are those who took cover, and those that were strolling down the street. I think those street strollers feel foolish, I mean Desmond has a hallucination?? It's funny just saying it. Hah!

[KittyLili114]

Orrrrr people who don't want to read spoilers aren't going to come in this thread,
so they'll never respond to you. Annnd its late and not too many people are on?

BTW: I haven't even read the article yet, I'm still catching up on everything else.
So once I do read it, I'll come back here to discuss it with you since you are SO eager. :rolleyes:

[Grizzlebees215]

:) it's not even late. 8:40 is late?

[Mojohunter]

Are you that anxious, Grizzle? :D After hearing that podcast, I'm happy to know I kept on believing that Des actually shot back in time. Puts everything on a new level now, in my opinion.

[KittyLili114]

Its sad that they even have to explain stuff to us in a podcast...
but I'm glad they do. [Still haven't heard it :p]

[Mojohunter]

Its sad that they even have to explain stuff to us in a podcast...
but I'm glad they do. [Still haven't heard it :p]

Well some questions are just absurd. 'Is the x-ray that the guy showed Juliet really of her?' :confused: I'm not sure the logic on that one.

But I'm glad they cover the areas they're vague on. This was the first podcast I've actually bothered to listen to. I'm impressed they take that extra step for us.

[KittyLili114]

I'm impressed they take that extra step for us.

Well they really have to obviously since there is so much speculation about things on the show.

[Jackface]

Grizz, you know I backed you up on the Ben daddy statement, and also on the time thing, remember the title I chose for the One Word Story? ;)

PS: So I'm not everyone's favorite mod? :(

[Grizzlebees215]

JF, you're my boy, but just look around the forum, everytime I step out of line, KL is there. Whenever I am drunk/mean, she reminds me. You're my boy for sure, But I have to appease the woman. I'm telling you, I can;t even inadvertently post a *Spolier* in white text, without her dropping down on me, so if I must suck up a tad, I'm just scratchin and surviving.

P.S. We were so right about Ben and Rousseau. Do you taste that victory??

[Lael]

JF

P.S. We were so right about Ben and Rousseau. Do you taste that victory??

What the random?? Back up the truck, Big Boy.

*beep.....beep....beep*

I declare you are jumping to conclusions about Ben being the bio-dad and makin' out with Danielle.

BUT....

If you are right, I'll buy you dinner. But you're wrong, so I'm safe. :p ;)

[Jackface]

Who's gonna buy ME dinner? ;)

[Lael]

Who's gonna buy ME dinner? ;)

Yeah, if I bought him dinner, I'd have to buy for you too because you and I probably argued about it even more! ;)

But how can I buy you dinner from 3,000 miles away? Air mail?

[Jackface]

Yes, and make sure it's frozen, so it arrives here in a good state, I'll stick in in the microwave ;)

[Grizzlebees215]

dude there is NO question, I mean Rousseau in a Ben flashback, if that happens, it's their wedding day, back when his name was Robert Rousseau. Look at a screen cap of him when he asked "Got any milk?" Does he not look like a RObert Rousseau right there? I'd totally believe it, and punch his face in :)

[Jackface]

Robert? why Robert?

[Lael]

Robert? why Robert?

Robert is Danielle's husband's name.

[Grizzlebees215]

see lael knows whats what, don't you? :p
how do you feel about the truth of desmonds time travel????

[KittyLili114]

Tsk tsk.
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Robert

[Grizzlebees215]

wait did ML just bust a link? :)

[KittyLili114]

Yes, because you failed to do so. :p

[Grizzlebees215]

ahahaha I've got a lot to learn!!

[JenE4]

What's this about Ben and Danielle making out? :confused: I didn't listen to the podcast, but is that going to happen, or is all this based on the fact that Danielle is appearing in someone else's flashback? She WOULD be in Ben's flashback if it's a flashback of HIM stealing HER baby! :D Ok, I'll take you on. I don't think he is Alex's bio dad. I still think Ben and Tom are a couple. Yes, my theory is totally baseless, but I just have an inkling about those two.... :D

[KittyLili114]

I still think Ben and Tom are a couple. Yes, my theory is totally baseless, but I just have an inkling about those two

Maybe because that is what you would like to happen.
*wink wink* ;)

Tom yelling at Juliet over Ben... *woo*
How hott is that? :p

[JenE4]

Maybe because that is what you would like to happen.
*wink wink* ;)


Ooh, baby! Yes, I have my Ben and Tom fantasies. Hubba-hubba! I'm going to add them to "my list" right now! :p :D

LOL. I have REALLY bought into the idea that Tom was hanging around during the surgery and was so concerned about Ben because that's his husband! Aaaaand, maybe Juliet was trying to impregnate Ben and the fertility drugs caused his cancer, just like it caused Rachel's cancer. But, I realize the second part of that is a stretch, so I'll just stick with Tom and Ben sittin' in a tree k-i-s-s-i-n-g for now. :p

[Shepherd Emperor]

Ooh, baby! Yes, I have my Ben and Tom fantasies. Hubba-hubba! I'm going to add them to "my list" right now! :p :D

LOL. I have REALLY bought into the idea that Tom was hanging around during the surgery and was so concerned about Ben because that's his husband! Aaaaand, maybe Juliet was trying to impregnate Ben and the fertility drugs caused his cancer, just like it caused Rachel's cancer. But, I realize the second part of that is a stretch, so I'll just stick with Tom and Ben sittin' in a tree k-i-s-s-i-n-g for now. :p

I'm not so sure it's a stretch. I've said before and I'll say again: the reason maybe Ben wasn't healed was that the cancer was the result of a failed impregnation. Maybe Jack recognized something when he pulled it out, showed Tom, and said, "It's a boy." (or maybe it's because it looked Phallic...)

Anyway, on a related maybe, if you look at Desmond's behavior of late and at Rousseau's, maybe I have a guess at her reason for being so strung out. She's not even sure anymore which version of time she's in because she has been trying to fix events. Was she part of that earlier incident? there's a time conflict because of the assumption that she has been on The Island only a few years compared to the Incident referred to on the Orientation film from Season2, but time hopping makes that irrelevent.

PS, nothing from the Podcast comments made it a bodily time hop. That was a technicality some like me were commenting upon.
OK, flame away...

[Grizzlebees215]

hahah I love how even when the creators/producers say something happened, someone always finds a way to debunk it, first it was a dream, then hallucination, now it's not a *bodily* time warp, just a mental one :)
Oh what's next??
hahah ben and tom friendly, that's cute

[Cleston]

is there a transcript for the podcast? i can't listen to it from here :(

thanks

[Caladan]

OK, after reading through Grizzlebees215's gloating (no offense dude, but I'm NOT one of the people who said you were wrong and I find it bordering on obnoxious) I figured I had to listen to the podcast. I started to write down literally every word from the relevant part, but there were too many "uh, uh"'s and that kind of thing, so I started leaving those out. Hopefully I correctly figured out who was talking at each point. :D


Damon - Yeah, I guess it wasn't really quite a flashback in the conventional sense of the way that we do flashbacks on the show you know. The reality of it is, this is more the experience he had when the turned the failsafe key, and obviously as evidenced by certain future memories he's having during his flashback, uh, for the first time in the history of the show we actually allowed a character to have an opportunity to make a different choice than they made before and, uh, and Desmond doesn't here, he's course corrected by a certain mysterious older lady in a ring shop. So, uh, what was your question? Does that cover it?

[9:16]Interviewer - No, that was fine. I supposed people want to know, what does this mean?

Damon - Was it really...did it really happen?

Interviewer - Yeah, did it really happen?

Damon - Yeah, I think it really happened. I mean, you know, one of the things that we try very rarely to do on the show is to play something that has only been imagined or dreamed, you know, and I would say in the global sense of things, Desmond back in the year of 1996 actually had that experience. Now, I would venture to guess that in future flashbacks of Desmonds that they would be treated as traditional flashbacks where he doesn't really have any awareness of his destiny, but in this particular instance we went outside the box a little.

Carlton Cuse - Right. I mean I think it's entirely possible he could have a traditional flashback story as well.

Damon - Absolutely. But what I think is interesting is there are certain things that happened the way that they used to happen that he changed as a result of being in the past that might sort of resonate over time you know like getting hit in the face instead of the bartender, or the fact that the photograph of he and Penny got taken the day that he broke up with her, maybe in another incarnation there were two photographs, you know, maybe it was a two-fer. That would explain how she got one.

[10:26]Carlton - You seem a little somber today, maybe a little banjo music would cheer you up.

Damon - Don't make me ask you to play that banjo!

..banjo playing, talk of Deliverance, blah blah blah.

Now, while it seems they IMPLY he went back in time, they don't come right out and literally say it. I find the choices of some of their words interesting as if they're still trying to leave part of it ambiguous. I want to say it's time travel, but there's just enough doubt that makes me wonder...they're pretty creative guys, after all.

For example, "I would say in the global sense of things, Desmond back in the year of 1996 actually had that experience." Global sense of things? Desmond back in the year of 1996? That seems a strange way to put it. This phrasing, in my opinion still leaves it open to the possibility that he's a pre-cog, even before he got to the island, that back then, he saw possible futures and made decisions accordingly. It also almost sounds like the Desmond now on the island isnt the same as the 1996 Desmond, as if they're different timelines.

But the last long paragraph by Damon, discussing how Des & Penny each got a photograph, etc., does seem to imply some sort of time travel. Now, did he actually go back and consciously make those decisions? Was he mentally see alternative time-lines of what occurred? Something else entirely? I don't know.

But I do find it interesting, along with the fact that someone posted that the first script for the show (which they didn't like) was titled, "The Circle." I wonder if they're all living their lives on the Island over and over as some have speculated?

[Grizzlebees215]

hahah have you ever listened to a politician talk? I noticed their ambiguity and I just neglected to address it. I mean they were SUPER ambiguious, I believe they even used the words "I think or I guess desmond's experience was genuine." I chalk that up to bad writers trying to be mysterious. For the most part, they agreed that dessie experience was genuine, but you are right, they never TRULY said it was law. I hate those dudes. And you called me on their ambiguity :)

[Caladan]

Well, I'm more inclined to think it WAS time travel now. Before, I was on the fence, but more inclined to the pre-cog idea. I don't know why, but the time travel idea seems lame to me, the pre-cog idea more appealing. But yeah, it's frustrating how they're so frickin' vague about some things. Frustrating, but I understand it. They just recently introduced the idea that Desmond sometimes knew what was going to happen, they'll drag the exact specifics out for a while.

[JenE4]

But what I think is interesting is there are certain things that happened the way that they used to happen that he changed as a result of being in the past that might sort of resonate over time you know like getting hit in the face instead of the bartender, or the fact that the photograph of he and Penny got taken the day that he broke up with her, maybe in another incarnation there were two photographs, you know, maybe it was a two-fer. That would explain how she got one.


Caladan, thanks for taking the time to transcribe that! I bet it was a lot of work!

I like how they threw this in about the photographs since we fans have been going batty debating the picture and how it might be a slip and/or a clue that they each have the picture. Yeah, like, the other time maybe but not this one, like, you know, it was a two-for...or something...yeah, that explains it!
:D

[Caladan]

Hey, no problem. I'm sitting here at work with NOTHING to do, plus I really wanted to know exactly what they said so we could pick it apart and over-analyze it to death. :D

[calluke]

Hey, no problem. I'm sitting here at work with NOTHING to do :D

i'm a school teacher with winter break this week. I would REALLY like to do know what other peoples jobs are that allow them to be here! :D :D

[Caladan]

I'm an engineer. I moved away from where I used to work, but they wanted to keep me so bad, they now let me work from home when I don't have to go work at a jobsite. So most days I get to hang out in sweats while my coworkers are at the offices. I don't currently have any projects to work on until next week, but I still get paid. Can't complain. ;)

[calluke]

I'm an engineer. I moved away from where I used to work, but they wanted to keep me so bad, they now let me work from home when I don't have to go work at a jobsite. So most days I get to hang out in sweats while my coworkers are at the offices. I don't currently have any projects to work on until next week, but I still get paid. Can't complain. ;)


that is AWESOME. i think i will start a thread in "off-topic" about what people do. thanks!

[zephyr40k]

-Desmond DID time travel


Actually, if you read the transcript, it does NOT say "Desmond time traveled." It said "Desmond really was there." If he had time-traveled, there would have been two Desmonds in that pub at the same time, wouldn't there?

The were actually pretty vague about the nature of Desmond's pseudo-flashback. They said it was "different" and "hadn't been done before and probably would not be done again." They said that he really was there, that these things really happened. They referenced 1996 and said he "really was there," but the did not say that the events seen in the viginette took place in 1996. They could have been a re-creation of an episode of Desmond's life from 1996.

[DNA Dan]

KL is everyones favorite mod ;) hehe



OKAY SERIOUSLY where are all of the angry people that want to fight us?

GREAT YOU BASTARD, now my life is ruined!! 5:00 at the school, you're going down!:cool:

[zephyr40k]

[QUOTE=Caladan;53464] This phrasing, in my opinion still leaves it open to the possibility that he's a pre-cog, even before he got to the island, that back then, he saw possible futures and made decisions accordingly. QUOTE]

OK, this is interesting. I think this is the best non-time-travel theory I have heard so far besides the virtual-reality one.

Under this concept, the producers are trying to pull a "Memento" and remember the past in reverse order. That is:

- Desmond did not travel back in time
- There are not two different versions of the time in between Desmond falls off the ladder and breaks up with Penny. We the audience ASSUMED that there was an "original version" of the timeline in which Desmond does not buy the ring, does not speak to Charlie, etc, and that Desmond "breaks" from this timeline because he's done it before.
- However, the trick here is that this is the only time Desmond has run through this scenario. He never did not buy the ring. The "flashback" was basically a re-telling of Desmond's first precognitive experience.
- The effect on the audience is to give them a precognitive's point of view. When we see Desmond encounter Charlie playing on the sidewalk, WE recognize Charlie. We know Desmond knows him. We think Charlie should recognize him as well. We are confused when Charlie rebuffs Desmond. We understand Desmond's frustration with his gift.

Playing games with point-of-view using two-and-a-half seasons' worth of experience to drive an audience's reaction to a scene into a specific point of view. Pretty brilliant, if they did it that way on purpose.

[zephyr40k]

hahah I love how even when the creators/producers say something happened, someone always finds a way to debunk it, first it was a dream, then hallucination, now it's not a *bodily* time warp, just a mental one :)
Oh what's next??

OK I'll tell you why I am resisting the idea of Time Travel in Lost. I like time travel. I like the idea. I really liked the show "Quantum Leap" with Scott Bakula. I liked Back to the Future. I liked in Babylon 5 where Sheridan went back in time.

-BUT-

Time travel is a "BIG" concept. That is, once you introduce it, you change everything. So either it has to be the premise on which the entire show/movie is founded (Like BTTF or QL), or it has to be a major plot point that causes you to re-evaluate all the premises on the show moving forward (B5), and from that point on things are different.

If the writers have introduced time travel into Lost, they have thrown it in there as an aside, a one-off. As they said in the podcast, "we did something we've never done before and will probably not do again." If they're going to arbitrarily throw time travel in, then that raises the stakes considerably. What other earth-shattering implications might they instroduce next... anti-gravity? Aliens? clones? dinosaurs? zombies? plagues of locusts? seas turn to blood? The sky on fire? (oh wait, they did that one).

[DNA Dan]

So basically desmond got to re-live a portion of his past as himself?

or was just living his life but had preconcieved notions on how he would respond?

I mean he knew that the fight was going to occur, this to me says that he lived that time before, or saw it happen before. That isn't his response to an event, that is something independent of his experience.

What I still don't get is that desmond was so weary and distraugt over his choice to leave penny. If indeed given the second chance to change that, why doesn't he? What prevents him other than changing fate?

[Caladan]

Glad you like the theory. I was still holding that as my 'favorite' theory until the podcast, which both supported the theory and also possibly debunked it. The way I saw it, if I were a pre-cog and could see different points in time, I can see mistaking seeing re-living those 'deja vu' points in my life as going back in time, and it would be a great way for the producers to confuse people. It would go along with the "the Desmond of 1996 experienced that" comment.

BUT, what bothered me was the fact that both Desmond and Penny had the photo, that made me wonder if the whole thing was time travel. I still kind of wonder if that was a production mistake (there have been others) or deliberate. When Damon mentions a possible reason for the photos, there's too many "maybe's" around his statement. He's suggesting a possibility, not what really happened so I'm unsure.

Of course, another explanation is that Penny or Desmond scanned the original and printed out another copy. :D

[Caladan]

If they're going to arbitrarily throw time travel in, then that raises the stakes considerably. What other earth-shattering implications might they instroduce next... anti-gravity? Aliens? clones? dinosaurs? zombies? plagues of locusts? seas turn to blood? The sky on fire? (oh wait, they did that one).

On a previous recent podcast, they said if the show goes into a 5th or 6th season, there WILL be zombies. :eek:

Seriously, they did. But I'm sure they were joking.

[JonlyBonly]

That was funny! I loved them joking about the teddy bear! :eek:

*side note:
never knew how hard it was for me to sit for 28:40 and not do anything!

[Waterlily]

On a previous recent podcast, they said if the show goes into a 5th or 6th season, there WILL be zombies. :eek:

Seriously, they did. But I'm sure they were joking.

Acutally that's the seventh season. :p ;)