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10-19-2009, 07:00 AM
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4x05 The Constant
Lost Rewatch Episode Discussion for "The Constant"
(Oct 19 - Oct 25) http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Constant 
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10-25-2009, 02:38 AM
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This is easily one of my all-time favorite episodes. It is not only playing the rules laid out in "Flashes Before Your Eyes" to their full extent, it is also a great love story (and that love story only works because I can believe Cusick and Walger are genuinely in love and desperately seeking each other. The sincerity in their voices and their tears during the phone call alone made this episode worth the watch). Really doesn't do much to advance the overall mythology, but the best episodes are rarely expository.
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10-28-2009, 05:59 PM
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I think I had some trouble with this one the first time around. It makes more sense now that I see that 1996 Desmond is the one moving around in time and is the one we see for most of the episode, until 2004 Des' consciousness returns during the phone call to Penny. For some reason I thought they were switching places with each other. Where does 2004 Desmond's mind go to? Also, because of the way he says he's "not supposed to be here" it's hard not to make a parallel to Locke, even though there's no evidence that Locke has had consciousness time-shifting.
We have another loop here like we did with Locke's compass: this time with the settings Daniel gives to Desmond in 2004, which Desmond then gives to Daniel in 1996. The first connection between Eloise Hawking and Daniel is made here via the rat. We also see what's going to happen to Charlotte here in miniature. An even bigger first is that this is the first episode that explicitly connects Widmore to the larger island mythology, via the Black Rock.
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10-31-2009, 04:23 AM
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I might have missed something, but I found this to be kind of weird. When the helicopter lands, Keamy asks Frank who Sayid and Desmond are. Frank says they're survivors of 815. Earlier this season though, he called Juliet out for not being on the manifest, which he claims to have memorized. So why not Desmond too? I may be wrong, but as far as I remember I don't think he knew about Penny or about Desmond. I guess we could also chalk it up to him not wanting Keamy to go nuts if he thought Desmond was a "native."
The cliffhanger is kind of weird  I like this episode, but definitely overrated, imo. Very touching scenes with Des and Penny. They deserve a happy ending.
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10-31-2009, 08:07 PM
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11-01-2009, 01:35 AM
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Another thing I'm wondering...
Daniel says you can't change the future, right? When his rat travels into the future, it's apparently at least an hour ahead. Daniel says that's when he's going to teach her how to run the maze. Now, when Desmond wakes up again in 1996, Daniel says he was out for 75 minutes. He seems awfully busy on his chalkboard and not even paying attention to Eloise... but are we to assume that while Desmond was back in 2004, Daniel in 1996 was teaching the rat how to do the maze? And that she died right afterwards? Because otherwise, how could she have been sent to a point when she had learned to run the maze, if she died before getting to that point in time from Daniel's perspective? And why would Daniel teach her how to run it again, if she already knew how to run it from her time travel experience? It's confusing because the way I see it, the options here are: Eloise sees herself running the maze in the future. Eloise runs the maze. Eloise dies without being trained to run the maze. Eloise is not alive in the future to run the maze like she saw herself doing. Eloise sees herself running the maze in the future. Eloise runs the maze. Daniel teaches her to run the maze, although she already knows how. Eloise dies after the point she time traveled to. But they both seem to be problematic to me. Obviously the first one wouldn't be right, because she wouldn't be able to see herself in the future if she wasn't alive in the future. But I don't see why Daniel would re-teach her, unless he did it off-screen out of fear of what would happen if he didn't. But maybe I'm missing something that better explains it? I dunno, did they talk about this in any podcasts or anything? I guess I kinda answered my own question but any other insights would be nice haha.
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#7
11-01-2009, 08:12 AM
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If you have the Season 4 DVDs, watch this episode's commentary. Quite interesting.
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#8
11-01-2009, 02:59 PM
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4 pm - Daniel turns on his time machine and sends Eloises mind one hour into the future (roughly). 4:02 pm - Eloise's mind from 4 pm returns from the future, and runs the maze after being taught how to do so in the future. 4:03 pm - Desmond passes out while his 1996 mind jumps back to the future. 5 pm - Eloises 5pm mind, which already knows how to run the maze BECAUSE of time travel, is replaced by her time travelling consciousness from 4 pm, which DOES NOT know how to run the maze. Daniel teaches her how to run the maze. She returns to her own time at 4:02 pm. 5:10 pm - The effects of consciousness time travel cause eloise to have an aneurysm and die. 5:17 pm - Desmond awakes from his coma upon having his mind return to 1996.
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#10
11-02-2009, 05:06 AM
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