2x21 - ?

[hailey]

Lost Rewatch Episode Discussion for ?

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[hailey]

this was a really great episode!

i dont really love eko, but he is an amazing character and his story is really intriguing.

we see more dreams that lead people to do things. locke is once again having his faith tested and it is faltering, while eko is having his own faith strengthened.

sawyer reveals his gun hiding place to ease libbys pain and he comforts kate at the end... always nice to see sawyers kind side shining through.

the scenes with hurley are really hard to watch. seeing him cry over libby is horrible. i feel so bad for him...and i hate when libby tries to tell them about michael and they misunderstand...the look on her face is horrified and horrifying.

awesome flashbacks with richard malkin claiming he is a fraud...of course i cant really believe this. he is definatly a character we need to see more of.

[MM0602]

I too am not convinced that Malkin is a fake. Hope we see him again.

One thing that bugged me was when Eko tells Locke about his dream, Locke sarcastically replies "Oh, of course, a dream" when he himself is the definition of following dreams. Just seems like Locke contradicts himself a lot in season two. I started watching the show this season originally so that's probably why I only stared appreciating Locke recently. Though I guess it goes along with the season's story for him about his doubt and loss of faith, but it still annoyed me.

I remember the first time I saw this episode and how WTF it was when Libby coughs up that blood. I thought for sure she was going to survive at least long enough to explain what really happened. From the look on Mike's face he did too

I like how Ana's body looks so peaceful while Libby dies with that awful look on her face. Nice contrast between Ana who had had enough of life and Libby who seemed to be the opposite.

[CameraOne]

Good Eko flashbacks, as always.

I still don't get why the Yemi and Ana-Lucia visions wanted Eko to go to the Question Mark. Taking John there definitively took away his faith in pushing the button, causing him to act like a selfish brat in the season finale, which caused the hatch implosion, which ultimately revealed the Island to the world, and allowed the freighter to find it.

The Hurley scenes were definitely sad, and the actor did an excellent job there. Jack seemed more insensitive than usual in this one... he would rather have gone after Henry to avenge their deaths than to stay to help Libby.

[What'sDoneIsDone]

Originally Posted by CameraOne

Good Eko flashbacks, as always.

I still don't get why the Yemi and Ana-Lucia visions wanted Eko to go to the Question Mark. Taking John there definitively took away his faith in pushing the button, causing him to act like a selfish brat in the season finale, which caused the hatch implosion, which ultimately revealed the Island to the world, and allowed the freighter to find it.

My guess is either that Jacob's enemy wanted Locke to stop pushing the button, or he needed Locke to see the Pearl to set him another part of his long con. I'll need to rewatch seasons 3 and 4 to figure it out.
Keep this in mind: Locke received a vision before about the area of the Pearl, probably so that he would discover it. It just didn't work the first time.

Also, remember in season 1, when Walt said "Don't open it!...Don't open that thing!"? What if he was referring to the Pearl and not the Swan?

[Mrs.locke]

This epi was so sad, I kept tearing up. More sad for Hurley losing Libby, than Libby actually dieing.
Yeah, I see John's faith being tested to the extreme. He feels like he has been made a fool of, and he is embarrassed. I totally believe the "island" (nemesis) is pulling a "long con" on John.
I totally love this episode.

[TheEyeOfTheIsland]

Originally Posted by Eric Schwenke

My guess is either that Jacob's enemy wanted Locke to stop pushing the button, or he needed Locke to see the Pearl to set him another part of his long con.

Eko and Locke are both convinced that someone is giving them orders via their dreams. I think one central question through the show is: "Who is giving Eko and Locke their orders?"

Locke thinks that the island is responsible for his dreams (like the dream about the Beachcraft). Later however, he claims he got his orders from "taller ghost Walt". With the knowledge we have today, it is tempting to assume that Mr. X is behind all this. However, personally I think that also the island can somehow "talk" to Locke.

Eko, on the other hand, does not know who he gets his orders from, like he points out in his dream at the beginning of the episode. In this dream, Ana-Lucia and Yemi appear and give him the order to find the question mark, both characters that are dead in the moment he's having the dream.
Interestingely, Eko seems quite confused when Locke says that Boone was a "sacrifice the island demanded". So, who is influencing Eko? Smokey?

I'm really looking forward to season 6 to show us how the island, Jacob, Mr. X and the smoke monster are related. Do they work together? Do they have a different agenda? Does the island have a conscience?

[robev]

I've been wondering what the purpose of the dreams that prompted Locke to become obsessed with opening the hatch, when there was no real longstanding resolution to him opening it. After opening it he pushed the button for a while then decided to stop and the whole world was exploding, then desmond used the failsafe.

I'm one of the people that think the smoke monster is the dude from The Incident who wanted Jacob dead. My theory is he for some reason needed the failsafe to be pressed. I'm undecided why he would need it, but it seems that Locke had all these signs to open the hatch in season 1 and all these signs in season 2 not to push the button, which is conflicting.

In this episode Eko has dreams telling him to take John to the Pearl station. The only thing that accomplished was completely destroying Locke's faith in the button, which prompted him to destroy the computer when Desmond shows up, the only one who knows about the failsafe. The failsafe would only ever be used if the button could not be pushed, which is something Locke did due to these dreams.

I bet Jacob's nemesis is somehow able to give people visions or dreams, just as the smoke monster is able to turn into people from your past.

The dreams seem to indicate that John had to get inside the hatch and had to do things to get the failsafe used.

Also it has been confirmed that the whole plane dream was to get Boone to die so John would bang on the hatch, preventing Desmond from killing himself, but it also renewed his quest to get into the hatch, which he succeeds.

[Dr. Chameleon]

Originally Posted by hailey

and i hate when libby tries to tell them about michael and they misunderstand...the look on her face is horrified and horrifying.

Oh, I know! Imagine the last words you hear are "the guy who murdered you? He's doing just great!" Harsh.

I would also assume that Mr. X is giving Eko and Locke the visions here. Once again they get information that they couldn't possibly know, and it does lead to the implosion/failsafe which sets off the chain of events which, presumably, creates the needed "loophole" or at least lets Mr. X take over the body of Locke. I had completely forgotten about some of these key dreams so the re-watch is really helpful in that regard.

Kind of hard to understand why the Pearl would be marked with a circle of salted earth.

Looking forward: what is the purpose of the Pearl? If the vacuum tubes go nowhere, was it just elaborate busy work concocted for some reason? Or was it done to "deprogram" people who worked elsewhere, such as in the Swan (in which case the Pearl had it's intended effect on Locke, to make him believe what he'd been doing wasn't for any real purpose).

I like that they managed to set up here the idea of Eko putting Locke on the correct path. Even with AAA leaving unexpectedly in season three, the creators still worked it out in a satisfying way.

I like that Malkin says miracles don't exist, "not in this world, anyway." Because they sure seem to exist on the island. Is it part of a different world? Malkin also says that he "gathers intelligence on people and I exploit it" which makes me wonder what intelligence he gathered on Claire. Did someone communicate with him to make sure she got on flight 815?

[What'sDoneIsDone]

Originally Posted by robev

I've been wondering what the purpose of the dreams that prompted Locke to become obsessed with opening the hatch, when there was no real longstanding resolution to him opening it. After opening it he pushed the button for a while then decided to stop and the whole world was exploding, then desmond used the failsafe.

Activating the Failsafe allowed the island to be found, which enabled Jacob's enemy to convince Locke and Ben to move the island.