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Old 07-09-2009, 03:34 PM
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Things I found interesting and/or like in this episode (all quotes taken from the Lostpedia transcript):

Right after the flasback intro when Kate rinses out her platinum blond hair, this dialoge w/Charlie...
CHARLIE: Platinum.
KATE: Platinum?
CHARLIE: As in platinum record -- as in a million units sold.

Plus:
  1. Charlie says (ironically): "Now, Drive Shaft's albums must have spiked when everybody found out that I died in some catastrophic plane disaster. When I come back, alive, it's going to be insane."
  2. Cool shot of that tree in Ohio where Kate & Tom dig up their time capsule; like something out of a David Lynch movie.
  3. I really love to see the Jack & Locke dynamic starting to build now.
  4. I was surprised to see how much I actually enjoyed the lunchbox time capsule scene. The first time I saw this, the scene bored me – now I really liked it. Probably because I am now aware of Jacob's involvement.
  5. Michael, “We don’t have to go.” Walt, ominously, “Yes we do”.

Next up --> Season 1 finale time!!!
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Old 07-10-2009, 02:45 AM
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my favorite line...

Charlie: This is track 2. It's called "Monster Eats the Pilot".
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Old 07-11-2009, 02:42 AM
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I liked thinking back after discovering that Sun & Kate were trying to poison Jin to the scene were Walt runs up and yells that Michael is sick. So sneaky- their shock was real and Kate's running off to get Jack so urgently made us think maybe it wasn't her who did it.
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Old 07-13-2009, 06:49 PM
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well ... nice ep

even though Kate's fb is a little moving and really sad ... we get to see that cold, manipulative side of hers I learned to despise so much. she indeed doesn't care about anyone but herself. I'm not a bigfabn of Kate centrics ... but this one was quite alrigt I guess

we get one of them classical "a character gets dressed down in front of the crowd, afterwards everyone turns and walks away" (Charlie got one, Jin and Sun ... a lot of them)

Jack finally gets to see the hatch, creepy Walt once more proves that he IS special

PS: and Arzt of course ... funny guy
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Old 07-14-2009, 03:10 PM
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Another build up episode to the season finale, and one that puts the 'ending' in place between Kate and her mother, or atleast we think it's the ending, until season 4 in one of Kate's flash-forwards. I don't know how this one works itself out, but isn't it funny how Dr. Arzt comes into the show in very much the same way that Nikki/Paulo do, and yet we seem to look back on Arzt with a lot more fondness than the other two. Is this possibly the first and only time Jack and Locke agree on something to do with the hatch, because once they are in, there differences just take it to another level, atleast on the outside they both want to get inside! Sun's character just keeps getting deeper in this episode, now we know she attempted to poison her own husband in order to keep him on the island alongside her, and despite it backfiring on her, it showed a deeper side that she would be willing to do almost anything to get her own way. In a sense it's the same with Sawyer, although I certainly thought during season 1 he was easily capable of what he did to Kate. Despite his obvious feelings for her, he wants on that raft, and nobody or nothing was going to stop him getting on it. His conversation with Jack about his father was one of the moments of season 1.

In the Kate flashback, we probably see one of the more touching episodes of her backstory; seeing her with the man she loves 'off-island', the opening of the time capsule and stuff like that, he obviously has strong feelings for her too, the way he arranged the meeting so Kate could see her mother, and obviously not holding back from the kiss. We see Diane screaming for "help" at Kate, of course at this point in time we don't understand why she does this, but over time and through some more flashbacks, we see that she has a pretty good reason to in all fairness. Plus a very good coincidence here I tagged, when Kate goes for the letter it's under the name "Joan Hart". The actress who plays Diane is Beth Broderick, who also appears in Sabrina the Teenage Witch, the actress who plays Sabrina? Melissa Joan-Hart, of course.
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Old 07-14-2009, 05:02 PM
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We see Diane screaming for "help" at Kate, of course at this point in time we don't understand why she does this, but over time and through some more flashbacks, we see that she has a pretty good reason to in all fairness.
For me is one of those moments where the writers failed to pull it together. They built Kate up so much as this dangerous figure, especially from Mars' perspective, and here her mom looks and sounds absolutely terrified, and the explanation we get (two years later), is:

DIANE: No. What you did, you did for yourself. [Shrugs off her tears] I have to go back to work. Because you are my daughter, I'm not going to tell the two men sitting at the table who've been following me for the last month that you are here. But I swear to God, Katie, if I ever see you again, the first thing I will do is yell for help.

Sure, it's a trumped up explanation for why Diane calls for help, but it does not explain why she would seem so afraid of Kate (who at this point has only killed Wayne, which the audience doesn't know, she hasn't contributed toTom's death, or shot up the guys in the bank, or drugged her husband...). I can understand why they didn't want to make Kate into a *completely* horrible person, but I think they started out with a different idea of who she was than who she turned out to be.
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Old 07-14-2009, 06:45 PM
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It was cool to see the lunch box...Also, It brought back the disapointment that Walt has been dropped from the story line...I have hope he'll be back for S 5.
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Old 07-14-2009, 07:15 PM
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I'd agree in the sense that they build up Kate to be some sort of monster, atleast in home life involving her mam and it doesn't turn out that way, although personally I'm pretty satisfied with the explaination and reasoning into Kate's backstory, I can see why her mother would be that scared of her, if she can do that to another human then something is obviously wrong with her. They may have skipped the whole story a bit, and it may seem a bit 'put-together', but overall I think given the space they give the story, it was a satisfactory backstory.
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Old 07-15-2009, 06:42 PM
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I'd agree in the sense that they build up Kate to be some sort of monster, atleast in home life involving her mam and it doesn't turn out that way, although personally I'm pretty satisfied with the explaination and reasoning into Kate's backstory, I can see why her mother would be that scared of her, if she can do that to another human then something is obviously wrong with her. They may have skipped the whole story a bit, and it may seem a bit 'put-together', but overall I think given the space they give the story, it was a satisfactory backstory.
It's definitely interesting to see which parts of the story "work" for other people -- sometimes these opinions help me out. I don't think I've ever spent so much time thinking about a television show (with the possible exception of Twin Peaks), but there's a constant struggle in my mind between the claim that the producers have a plan (like the Cylons...didn't really), and the fact that they've also stated that characters and plots have changed and developed over the show, so it's hard not to see these things as glaring errors and contradictions.

I had a lot of issues with season four that I've mostly let go of, and I need to rewatch all of s.5 once it comes out on video. There are some major timeline issues (especially regarding the purge, based on dates we know from Rousseau and Inman, and Ethan's age) which I'm also just about ready to accept based on the fact that time may not work the same way on the island as it does off, so just because Rousseau came to the island in 1988 and Inman around 1991, doesn't mean that exactly corresponds to the same years on-island. Also I hated Ben's "Hitler hair" in "Dead is Dead."
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Old 07-15-2009, 08:19 PM
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i agree that this episode mostly sets up for the finale....
but i do love the charlie scenes...they are so funny and sad to rewatch.
so many kate centric episodes pin her as such a selfish person....its hard for me to figure out what i really think about her sometimes...i find myself liking kate best as a background/secondary character...

walt telling john not to "open it" is creepy...why does he not want him to open it? what does he see/think???

anyways, i dont have much to say about this ep...it was pretty boring...but i suppose a necessary opening into the next two episodes (which i am excited about)

sawyer was a bit of a jerk here (this is painful for me to say haha).....but i feel like maybe his jerkishness was justified by the fact that he was freaking that he could lose his spot on the raft....desperate times call for desperate measures and all that jazz...
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