1x13 Hearts & Minds

[Bombyx mori]

Originally Posted by Just Thinking

Hmm- well skills require knowledge and experience. I find it believable that Jin can fish because he comes from a family of fisherman- he has fished his whole life. I can tie a boat to a dock because I learned the knot and can feel in my hands how you do it just thinking about it as I have done it many times. Native peoples who live off the land spend years learning how to survive in their environment as they are experiencing that environment. They know the things you can't learn from a book- how things feel and smell-what the atmosphere is like just before it's going to rain in the jungle.

Locke seems to know these things without the lifetime of experience they require. I would bet there are a lot of difficulties that can prevent you from catching a boar, even for an experienced boar hunter. But he brings home the bacon first time out, and I really doubt he's ever hunted boar in his life.

I also think the writers are trying to point this out to us. It would give him some credibility if he had made it to Eagle Scout, the highest rank in scouting where you get your picture in the local paper. But he didn't even reach the rank of Boy Scout- they're trying to show us his lack of skill and drive as a child. I agree he may have been inspired by the thought of destiny and the walkabout, but it still doesn't seem enough. When Boone doesn't believe that a regional collections manager for a box company could do what Locke does- I have to say I don't either.

I agree that the writers are trying to point this out as the recap at the beginning of the episode includes Locke's scene with Boone about his box company job. Good point.

[Sawyerstyle31]

Originally Posted by Kinuvia

So going back to the season finale when Jacob is there as Locke is thrown out the window.. doesn't he something like "I'm sorry for what you are going through," or "going to go through" or something? Is he apologizing at that point to Locke for what he knows is in store for Locke after his nemesis begins to manipulate him? I'm a bit hazy on what Jacob said to him, but it seemed odd.

he says 'im sorry this happened to you'

[Joe1983]

Hi guys , soory im joining this rewatch kinda late.
I've seen all the epidodes to date, but not familiar with alot of the terms.
Smokey im guessing is the monster. Can someone quickly outline who Mr X and fLoke is reffering to?

Anyhoo, the whole discussion about locke being posessed.. humm remember in s5 when the island was doing its time jumping thing and Locke was going bak to the scenes he had witnessed before?
I get this feeling sometimes in s1 like when it starts raining etc. Maybe hes not posessed by the same being but someone is in him that has been in these situations before. Who knows. But I also agree that Locks survival skills are way too good for what we knw about him previous to the crash...
Wibelo when he was a kid? I remember taking taekwando lessons for a year when I was a kid and I can remember 1 move lol maybe 2. and im 26 Locke looks over 50... I dont buy that he upskilled whilst he was in a wheelchair..

[hailey]

mr.x is the man in black who we saw sitting with jacob in the s5 finale.
flocke refers to the fact that the person we thought was locke after he returned to the island, was really a fake. fake locke =flocke

and smokey is the smoke monster...yes.

[Joe1983]

ahh ok ty =P

[Dhguy]

There really isn't much going on in this episode is there? I mean besides Boone and the smoke monster incident, which i guess at the time would have been considered a major turning point for the monster mystery, there was really so much filler in this episode. Awkward dialogue between Hurly and Jin took up way too much space, more Awkward dialogue between Charlie and Rose. Filler with Kate and Sun. it was just an all around snoozy episode.

What really bothers me the most is that how Claire has now been abducted for 2 episodes and no one seems to even care anymore. It's so out of character for Jack to not be doing everything he can possibly do to try to find Claire. Everyone on the island is just sort of calm and not doing anything. No one is even in fear that these "others" might come back and abduct more people. No safety precausions were taken or anything. I just find it weird.

[Joe1983]

Well I kinda agree,but they did try and track her untill it rained and the rain washed away their tracks.... I mean they would have just been searching randomly after that.. so it kinda makes sense, but yeah the whole "we dont leave people behind" theme that runs in all these hero shows.. kinda goes against it.

[eidolon]

1. I love how the police officer taking Boone's report very emphatically stated, "So *NO* blood relationship?" So that the audience didn't freak out too badly, "Ewwwwwwwwww!!!!" at the scene of Boone and Shannon going at it. Like, 'It's okay -- there's no BLOOD relationship!"

2. What was the point of Locke's lesson to Boone? Ostensibly to release Boone from his obsession with Shannon, I know. But what was the *island's* reason?

3. Hmmmm ... Sawyer, Kate, and now Shannon all turn out to be con artists. Even Sun, conning people into thinking she doesn't know English. It's Grifter Hell. Season 6 we'll find out Jack used to trick kids into whitewashing fences for him.

[Lockeabout]

Interesting scene w/Locke & Jack on the beach, staring out into the ocean talking and waiting for a ship to come in. It reminded me of Jacob & Nemesis on the beach in the Season 5 finale. (Dharma Van posted-3 comment)

Great point DharmaVan, I noticed this also. I found it interesting they discussed a ship, but more importantly when Locke asks Jack if the conversation was just between them, and Jack says "always". I feel that response would be appropriate for a long time friend, yet they have only been on the island for 24 days. I might be reaching, but it felt very similar to the season 5 finale conversation with Jacob and M.I.B. Great find DharmVan

[Seany]

I'm very late to the rewatching. But I have been watching show since day one. I noticed many of the things people have said above and I feel that Locke is being influenced. I don't think that he is possessed by the MIB or has "the sickness" but I think getting desmond out of the swan is important to the end game and so it could be Jacob influencing him. I think even in the S5 finale Locke is still Locke but has direction from someone. The reason he needs Boone thinking clearly is because he helps Locke dig up the hatch.

I love Charlies line to Jack and it is very relevant.